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so i sided with knight shin at the end am curious as to the reasoning people had for siding with him also but would also like to know why people sided with Rahmani.

also does it make me evil that i specifically killed the scientists at the end by punching them to death with my bare robot fists so that they might see their peers die and know of their impending death and how it will extremely painful.
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uni790 2021 年 8 月 11 日 上午 2:10 
I sided with Rahmani simply because Shin was a jerk, no other reason, most brotherhood are simply raiders by another name, I knock them down just as readily as I do the raiders.

:millafp:
引用自 uni790
I sided with Rahmani simply because Shin was a jerk, no other reason, most brotherhood are simply raiders by another name, I knock them down just as readily as I do the raiders.

:millafp:
a raider is someone who kills or forcible takes anything of someone in order for self benefit the brotherhood preserve and understand technology that could be dangerous in the hands of someone who doesn't properly understand it.

not exactly the same
Arcanix 2021 年 8 月 11 日 上午 2:23 
Shin is a watch dog trained to fetch. When he cant do that he gets grumpy.
引用自 Arcanix
Shin is a watch dog trained to fetch. When he cant do that he gets grumpy.
in rome they used geese i think as watch animals fun fact
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Hobo Misanthropus 2021 年 8 月 11 日 上午 2:30 
Rhamani was wrong about everything. She refuses to learn from any mistakes, and repeats the same failures over and over. She's unfit to lead a McDonald's, much less a military organization, and even less so one she effectively steals the resources from to use to her own end of playing coddlemommy to Appalachia.

As for the Scientists, they needed to die. For some reason, we are trained to laud over intellectuals, but time and time again "Intellectuals" lead the common folk into ruin and misery, and these particular scientists make the decision very easy by upfront saying "Yeah, we almost destroyed the world, but if we do the same thing again, it totally will have a different outcome" right after you confront them.
引用自 Hobo Misanthropus
Rhamani was wrong about everything. She refuses to learn from any mistakes, and repeats the same failures over and over. She's unfit to lead a McDonald's, much less a military organization, and even less so one she effectively steals the resources from to use to her own end of playing coddlemommy to Appalachia.

As for the Scientists, they needed to die. For some reason, we are trained to laud over intellectuals, but time and time again "Intellectuals" lead the common folk into ruin and misery, and these particular scientists make the decision very easy by upfront saying "Yeah, we almost destroyed the world, but if we do the same thing again, it totally will have a different outcome" right after you confront them.
much agreed
Mooman 2021 年 8 月 11 日 上午 2:40 
I choose different endings for different characters to fit their 'roleplay'. However I feel the Shin option is the canon one as it recreates the Mariposa incident[fallout.fandom.com] and therefore allows Bethesda to do a soft reboot of the BoS in Appalachia but yet keep them exactly the same as from Fallout 1, 2 and 4ish.
引用自 Mooman
I choose different endings for different characters to fit their 'roleplay'. However I feel the Shin option is the canon one as it recreates the Mariposa incident[fallout.fandom.com] and therefore allows Bethesda to do a soft reboot of the BoS in Appalachia but yet keep them exactly the same as from Fallout 1, 2 and 4ish.
well i didnt ask about what i was cannon i asked which one you thought would be the best option just in general still interesting input
TwinChops 2021 年 8 月 11 日 上午 2:46 
Rhamani, basicly because the Raider incident was Shins fault, he gave the settlers weapons wich then got in Raiders hands.
He accutally says it when you ahve to make the last disicion. And that was the turning point for me, giving Rhamani hassle because of an error he made is just plain stupid, should have had the balls to say, "Yes it was my fault" instead of blaming someone else.

However the Scientist are (atleast in german version) somewhat okay, they know what they did and regret it (minus the "child", but she just need some morals), but iw ould stil rather had them locked up.
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Arcanix 2021 年 8 月 11 日 上午 2:55 
Shin stand for the newly formed Brotherhood unsure of what to do. Go fetch intel and eradicate all that are deemed tainted. No other thoughts than that.

There is a problem with that approach "If all you have is a hammer then every problem has to look like a nail". Thus...

Read this somewhere...

"Rahmani represents the bethesda brotherhood of steel and knight shin represents the original brotherhood of steel, i don't want to get much into spoilers but anyways everyone thinks hey Rahmani is the good guy she is nice and shin is ♥♥♥♥, well no she is the traitor Shin is doing elder's work".

Well...

What that guy posting that garbage fail to realize is that it has been like that since Fallout 2. This inner struggle is why there are chapters and squads. Elder Maxson...General John Maxson changed the attitude abit towards what Rahmani represent in Fallout 76. High Elder Roger Maxson is alot like Shin. Why did General John Maxson have this "softer" attitude?

This is why:

After the fall of the Unity

Following the fall of the Master, Marcus took to the wastes. Around 2185, he came across Jacob, a Brotherhood knight. The two fought for a couple of days, before realizing the futility of the fight. As the pair laughed, Jacob abandoned his sworn oath to destroy mutants and joined Marcus in his travels. As they traveled together, discussing Brotherhood doctrine and the Unity (in particular, the neurolink between the Master and the Cathedral computers), people gradually started following them. After all, it doesn't get any safer than a Brotherhood knight and a super mutant veteran. Marcus led the growing group to the site of a pre-War uranium mining town he knew about from old maps. There, he and Jacob founded the settlement of Broken Hills in the fall of 2185.

With John the Brotherhood changed from being an extermination outfit to a pillar of a new world. The Enclave have objections to that though. This is why John wasnt liked by the other Elders. To them John had strange ideas...why not murder everything and then we shall have peace?

Elder Arthur Maxson was torn between these two. He tried to do both justice by honor their legacy. He almost gave up....now you have Rahmani and Shin doing what they do and Arthur Maxson has no idea whats going on. These two BOS noobs have no idea what injuries they dug up by fighting like this. Eventhough Arthur is abit like Rahmani under that shell of his...he will most likely have both executed.

Dont argue, thats how it is...deal with it.

General John Maxson is the grandson of Roger Maxson, and the high elder of the Brotherhood of Steel in the year 2161.

High Elder Roger Maxson (service number 072389) was a captain in the United States Army and the founder of the Brotherhood of Steel, serving as its first high elder after the Great War.

Elder Arthur Maxson (Brotherhood registration MX-001E) is the last descendant of the Maxson lineage. He served as a squire in the Citadel in 2277 and is currently the supreme commander of the East Coast chapter of the Brotherhood in 2287.

Jeremy Maxson is a descendant of Roger Maxson and John Maxson.

Jonathan Maxson was the father of Arthur Maxson and husband of Jessica Maxson.


Other BOS leaders that was abit like Rahmani:

General Barnaky
Elder Owyn Lyons
General Dekker
Few more....not many.
引用自 TwinChops
Rhamani, basicly because the Raider incident was Shins fault, he gave the settlers weapons wich then got in Raiders hands.
He accutally says it when you ahve to make the last disicion. And that was the turning point for me, giving Rhamani hassle because of an error he made is just plain stupid, should have had the balls to say, "Yes it was my fault" instead of blaming someone else.

However the Scientist are (atleast in german version) somewhat okay, they know what they did and regret it (minus the "child", but she just need some morals), but iw ould stil rather had them locked up.
shin assumed responsibility and made sure to clean up his mess while Rhamani is causing issues and is a liar and refuses to take in other peoples advice claiming to know best which is a sign that they do not and are also likely to have their ego grow in the future
Arcanix 2021 年 8 月 11 日 上午 3:10 
Shin played the armchair general and when Rhamani didnt play ball he ran for the woods. Looking to setup his own chapter. Thats mutiny.

Thats how raider leadership usually works. What makes anyone think that behavior will fly with high command. Why i said in my previous post "Eventhough Arthur is abit like Rahmani under that shell of his...he will most likely have both executed". The justification he has is outside the reach of the Shin vs Rhamani drama.
引用自 Arcanix
Shin stand for the newly formed Brotherhood unsure of what to do. Go fetch intel and eradicate all that are deemed tainted. No other thoughts than that.

There is a problem with that approach "If all you have is a hammer then every problem has to look like a nail". Thus...

Read this somewhere...

"Rahmani represents the bethesda brotherhood of steel and knight shin represents the original brotherhood of steel, i don't want to get much into spoilers but anyways everyone thinks hey Rahmani is the good guy she is nice and shin is ♥♥♥♥, well no she is the traitor Shin is doing elder's work".

Well...

What that guy posting that garbage fail to realize is that it has been like that since Fallout 2. This inner struggle is why there are chapters and squads. Elder Maxson...General John Maxson changed the attitude abit towards what Rahmani represent in Fallout 76. High Elder Roger Maxson is alot like Shin. Why did General John Maxson have this "softer" attitude?

This is why:

After the fall of the Unity

Following the fall of the Master, Marcus took to the wastes. Around 2185, he came across Jacob, a Brotherhood knight. The two fought for a couple of days, before realizing the futility of the fight. As the pair laughed, Jacob abandoned his sworn oath to destroy mutants and joined Marcus in his travels. As they traveled together, discussing Brotherhood doctrine and the Unity (in particular, the neurolink between the Master and the Cathedral computers), people gradually started following them. After all, it doesn't get any safer than a Brotherhood knight and a super mutant veteran. Marcus led the growing group to the site of a pre-War uranium mining town he knew about from old maps. There, he and Jacob founded the settlement of Broken Hills in the fall of 2185.

With John the Brotherhood changed from being an extermination outfit to a pillar of a new world. The Enclave have objections to that though. This is why John wasnt liked by the other Elders. To them John had strange ideas...why not murder everything and then we shall have peace?

Elder Arthur Maxson was torn between these two. He tried to do both justice by honor their legacy. He almost gave up....now you have Rahmani and Shin doing what they do and Arthur Maxson has no idea whats going on. These two BOS noobs have no idea what injuries they dug up by fighting like this. Eventhough Arthur is abit like Rahmani under that shell of his...he will most likely have both executed.

Dont argue, thats how it is...deal with it.

General John Maxson is the grandson of Roger Maxson, and the high elder of the Brotherhood of Steel in the year 2161.

High Elder Roger Maxson (service number 072389) was a captain in the United States Army and the founder of the Brotherhood of Steel, serving as its first high elder after the Great War.

Elder Arthur Maxson (Brotherhood registration MX-001E) is the last descendant of the Maxson lineage. He served as a squire in the Citadel in 2277 and is currently the supreme commander of the East Coast chapter of the Brotherhood in 2287.

Jeremy Maxson is a descendant of Roger Maxson and John Maxson.

Jonathan Maxson was the father of Arthur Maxson and husband of Jessica Maxson.


Other BOS leaders that was abit like Rahmani:

General Barnaky
Elder Owyn Lyons
General Dekker
Few more....not many.
nice history lesson but i disagree at some points the early games brotherhood question was always "is isolation good or not"

fallout 4 and Arthur maxson shows us what happens when the answer is you open your doors but also dont help in every way possible and the answer is the prydwen crashing through the common wealth sky.

fallout 3 and owen lyons is what happens when you fully embrace open door policy drained resources (scribe bigsley literally had 24 caps to run the water caravans) and fighting (the outcasts)

fallout new vegas and mcnamera and hardin shows us what happens when you dont stop the isolation and it is wasting away to scared to leave their bunker the biggest presence on the surface is the 3 dead patrols

fallout 1 and 2 dont really apply to this their the base starting point you could say

now Appalachia and the good knight and the questionable paladin she wants to open up the brotherhood just lke lyons did only their in a much weaker place theres not even 100 of them while knight shin is more like arthur maxson he is open to new recruits but will still keep their over all contriputions to a minimal and all evidence says that this is the most beneficial path for the brotherhood to take
Arcanix 2021 年 8 月 11 日 上午 3:15 
Eventually The Brotherhood has to deal with this dualistic nature. If they fail, then another Enclave faction will emerge. I doubt The Brotherhood high command want that.
引用自 Arcanix
Eventually The Brotherhood has to deal with this dualistic nature. If they fail, then another Enclave faction will emerge. I doubt The Brotherhood high command want that.
yeah but i think thats a couple years away in irl time or game time
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