Bloodied unarmed still worth it?

[GLITCH]

I used to do a ton of fun damage with my low HP stealth deathclaw gauntlet build, ah memories of so much fun. Now i cant really feel the power anymore, I have another low HP weapon, and it still one shots, but the unarmed just seems like it got hit the hardest with the nerf. I am hoping someone may have seen, or heard talk of them bringing unarmed back up just a bit.

[GLITCH]

just as some reference here is before https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/445983039525486603/869526748847550524/20200726211831_1.png here is after https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/445983039525486603/869527312696221706/unknown.png and here is some of that fun damage i used to do https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/445983039525486603/869526906301730826/45k_sneak_dmg.gif oh how i miss it

[RMPyro]

Its still very good, it was not good as before, it was very overpowered. Its a lot better against group of mobs now after they added some legendary perks.

[RiChuF]

Originally posted by GLITCH:

just as some reference here is before https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/445983039525486603/869526748847550524/20200726211831_1.png here is after https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/445983039525486603/869527312696221706/unknown.png and here is some of that fun damage i used to do https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/445983039525486603/869526906301730826/45k_sneak_dmg.gif oh how i miss it

yup over 10k dam needed nerfin
(jk btw)

[Mooman]

Stealth is a bit broken with melee atm so your probably missing the bonus damage.

Melee got extra damage added with legendary perks, exploding palm for unarmed, hack and slash for VATS and one that can explode on kills.

They gives AOE damage that helps against groups and extra against single targets (bosses are highly resistant though).

[GLITCH]

I did the math on exploding palm, its only 100 damage, considering i used to do 45k+ damage per hit after all my bonuses, now i only do ~2k per hit, 100 damage is an insult/waist of legendary card slot in my opinion ***opinions are like rads, everyone has them from time to time, others have them more often*** god that was terrible, im sorry.

[GLITCH]

Originally posted by RiChuF:

Originally posted by GLITCH:

just as some reference here is before https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/445983039525486603/869526748847550524/20200726211831_1.png here is after https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/445983039525486603/869527312696221706/unknown.png and here is some of that fun damage i used to do https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/445983039525486603/869526906301730826/45k_sneak_dmg.gif oh how i miss it

yup over 10k dam needed nerfin
(jk btw)

I get that your joking, but i dont get that people are serious about these nerfs. I just dont understand the the mentality, if you think your doing too much damage, switch to something else, you have options. This mentality of "Use the absolute strongest thing in the game, and then complain its too powerful" then freaking use something less powerful, i mean jeez what did you expect. You have a choice, to be as powerful as you choose to be, and taking away that power should only affect those who want it gone, but when you nerf it for everyone, you take away their choice, and choose for them. That is not freedom of play style, that is forced play style, something an open RPG should never do.

[Dracul]

Originally posted by GLITCH:

***opinions are like rads, everyone has them from time to time, others have them more often***

Shunnnnnn!


That aside, my biggest issue with exploding palm is the amount of perk coins needed to get it reasonable - 5% base is basically a waste of a slot and even at 20% it wouldnt be reliable enough to tagging trash in a cluttered event where everyone has bloodied exploding heavy weapons.

[Mooman]

Originally posted by Dracul:

Originally posted by GLITCH:

***opinions are like rads, everyone has them from time to time, others have them more often***

Shunnnnnn!


That aside, my biggest issue with exploding palm is the amount of perk coins needed to get it reasonable - 5% base is basically a waste of a slot and even at 20% it wouldnt be reliable enough to tagging trash in a cluttered event where everyone has bloodied exploding heavy weapons.

It gains boosts with demolition expert and can trigger off rag dolls, just keep punching the dead guys. Even if only 20% we are talking about FO76 and bugginess, that 20% (Electric absorption is only 18% but is a PA 'must') triggers fairly often. It makes more unarmed options viable, like knuckles and boxing gloves.

Of all my characters the unarmed is the most fun (leveled after Legendary perks so can't compare to before) by far, ymmv. If your goal is to 1 shot bosses (ie. overkill everything else) then you'll never get that back, but really if you do that at public events your the villain.

[-BLOOD-OCEAN-]

no

[GLITCH]

Originally posted by Mooman:

It gains boosts with demolition expert

i have seen otherwise, although i haven't tested. I watched an angry turtle video that said "the explosion is not affected by any perk cards etc. its just straight up 100 flat damage added to unarmed attacks 20% of the time" so im a little skeptical until i try for myself, unless you have video evidence of this etc.

Originally posted by Mooman:

If your goal is to 1 shot bosses (ie. overkill everything else) then you'll never get that back, but really if you do that at public events your the villain.

No 1 shotting end game boss is unnecessary, i mean it would be fun to be able to do the math, and squeeze out as much damage as possible, and be one punch man again, i dont really care if i never get to 1 shot SBQ or Earl again. I do however care that the nerf is just really harsh. I watched a video of someone comparing all the nerfs, and some ners are like 17-20%, while the unarmed is over 70% in some cases "@14:39 shows unarmed" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDnqYDoYkbQ . I just want someone at Bethesda to be reasonable about the balance, and not spiteful. Unarmed needs a small buff, just a small one. I mean if i have 19% health, unyielding Secret Service armor "stats are through the roof, 50+ str for example", nerd rage, bloodied +1 strength +40% ATK SPD death claw gauntlet, Adrenal/twisted muscle/talons, fed up with 5-6 different DPS food, 3-4 drugs for stats/dps and vintage nukashine, i should be able to do a ton of damage. I just dont, and its laughable when you realize without all of that stuff, your almost doing the same damage by going with normal gear.

[GLITCH]

I have done some more testing, same armor, 19%hp, same buffs "food/aid" same mutations etc but im using a bloodied super sledge with 40% ATK 90% reduced weight. i pulled out "Iron fist, barbarian, martial artist" and replaced it with Slugger/expert/master. so now im using all 3 sluggers, incisor, and barbarian etc. I do a ton of damage, so i guess i can either choose to stay unarmed for the joy of punching, and deal with it, or drop unarmed and go 2 handed. Either way i go, shutting up and quitting complaining is unavoidable, that and im un subbing from this before it gets toxic from elitist over correcting people, insulting them, and being rude etc. bye bye now

[RiChuF]

Originally posted by GLITCH:

i dont really care if i never get to 1 shot SBQ or Earl again.

sorry while against any kind of nerfs you sounded like needed to
1 shotting those two shouldnt really be possible

[TwinChops]

Oh someones mad that he cant ... wait ... you still can one hit most everything. Why are you complaining?

[The Commendatore]

Originally posted by GLITCH:

Originally posted by RiChuF:

yup over 10k dam needed nerfin
(jk btw)

I get that your joking, but i dont get that people are serious about these nerfs. I just dont understand the the mentality, if you think your doing too much damage, switch to something else, you have options. This mentality of "Use the absolute strongest thing in the game, and then complain its too powerful" then freaking use something less powerful, i mean jeez what did you expect. You have a choice, to be as powerful as you choose to be, and taking away that power should only affect those who want it gone, but when you nerf it for everyone, you take away their choice, and choose for them. That is not freedom of play style, that is forced play style, something an open RPG should never do.

Right, running up to the Queen and booping her two or three times to kill her totally did not need nerfing.

Get real.