Removing Hunger and Thirst will change the nature of the game

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Companies like Bethesda who take IP like Fallout and then turn it into childish casual games where they let their users beta test for them is like GM buying Hummer and making the H2 out of a Suburban.

If they remove Hunger and Thirst, listen it's no longer Fallout. They are making Star Trek Discovery.

I didn't think it was true it is such an abjectly terrible idea for anyone over 16 - but it's true.

https://massivelyop.com/2020/05/28/fallout-76-interview-bethsoft-on-one-wasteland-text-chat-and-other-radioactive-topics/

I guess I better finish up the main questline once and for all so I can play a real RPG when they lower the bar for the lowest common denominator once again.

Fallout: Candy Crush Edition

[Hobo Misanthropus]

I'd argue that Hunger/Thirst had no place in this game to begin with, because Hunger/thirst literally mean nothing with Fast Travel. You are never more than a loading screen away from unlimited food and water.

[Fyre]

Sledge Hammer! eredeti hozzászólása:

Dex eredeti hozzászólása:

Fallout 1, 2, 3, 4 and NV. No base hunger/thirst. The hell you talking about "this isn't Fallout"?

It's just entitled children having a tantrum.

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Dex eredeti hozzászólása:

Fallout 1, 2, 3, 4 and NV. No base hunger/thirst. The hell you talking about "this isn't Fallout"?

It didn't exist in those games in "easy mode".

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Dex eredeti hozzászólása:

-00- eredeti hozzászólása:

It didn't exist in those games in "easy mode".

I get the feeling you never played most Fallout games. NV added a hunger system with survival mode but 1,2 and 3 never had anything like that. 4's survival mode was very much an afterthought and even NV's survival mode was so lenient it might as well have not existed.

If you wanted to argue that the hunger system adds something that makes it more interesting, that's fine, but don't pretend that it's a core feature of the fallout games. It never was.

I've played them all since Fallout 2. The only one I never got to end-game on was Fallout 3. I liked FONV the best, bought all the DLC, played multiple times. Fallout 4 was super fun for building, and I played it on survival mode which really makes the world more tangible and fleshed out imho.

I don't remember all the mechanics of the games, but I know there have always been the ideas of 'resting' and 'healing' in all RPG's. Needing to eat isn't a novel thing, and in this case it has been fully integrated into the game mechanics - tying into PERKS and Buffs and Debuffs etc.

I would argue that in the evolution of Fallout, as it expanded into a realtime game [thus an opportunity for time-based submechanics such as thirst] that this is a devolution caused by shortsighted marketing input. It dilutes the brand, and the brand is the primary thing this iteration of the game has going for it.

[Dia]

Actually, Fallout 1 and 2 never had any kind of thirst or hunger mode and both are still considered to be some of the best games in the series. Removing a mechanic like that wouldn't make a big difference on the core gameplay loop and would instead allow players to simply enjoy the game without having to be burdened by thirst or hunger. Similar to what Ogre Lambert said, it should be treated as a mechanic that grants buffs if food is eaten but doesn't cause downsides if not eaten.

[Pinger]

it's about as core of a feature as pvp is, it isn't. You are crying over a feature added in FO4 which is regarded as the worst of the fallouts for same reasons as 76, lack of bug fixing. Troll post by someone that hides the games they play

[PhotriusPyrelus]

-00- eredeti hozzászólása:

If they remove Hunger and Thirst, listen it's no longer Fallout.

It's been a long time since I played Fallout 3, but I don't remember that game having a hunger and thirst bar... What about Fallout 1 and 2? I never even played those, more's the pity.

[VhagarTheLastOne]

Zeppo eredeti hozzászólása:

totally agreed...
bethesda is makingg mistake after mistake...
i'm kinda afraid for skyrim 6...

Starfield is becoming first.

[Syringes]

So you're the guy complaining about being killed by high leveled player while building nerd castles at random workshops.
Gain few levels, grind hard and you will see the chore with thirst or hunger
Mutate to speed demon and you will be mad at the rate food and water consumed
Collect more mats and you will see another problem with +15% damage cards instead of food weight cards and useless foods in your inventory
Stay saturated and hydrated to get bonus, ye like 5 minutes increased ap regen
It wasn't a problem in Fallout 3, NV and 4 as you had player.setav carry weight xxxxx
Lmao'ed at Hunger and Thirst being a part of Fallout 1 and 2
you clearly have no idea about these games
just stop with your bs complains

[RevolverBigBosselote]

zYnthetic eredeti hozzászólása:

So you're the guy complaining about being killed by high leveled player while building nerd castles at random workshops.
Gain few levels, grind hard and you will see the chore with thirst or hunger
Mutate to speed demon and you will be mad at the rate food and water consumed
Collect more mats and you will see another problem with +15% damage cards instead of food weight cards and useless foods in your inventory
Stay saturated and hydrated to get bonus, ye like 5 minutes increased ap regen
It wasn't a problem in Fallout 3, NV and 4 as you had player.setav carry weight xxxxx
Lmao'ed at Hunger and Thirst being a part of Fallout 1 and 2
you clearly have no idea about these games
just stop with your bs complains

Honestly thirst and hunger isn't a huge chore to take care of. Maybe you shouldn't be calling people noobs if you apperantly struggle so much with something a lot of people find easy to handle.

I really don't get your argument of calling people noobs for not wanting the game to be unnecessarily casualized.

[RevolverBigBosselote]

Zeppo eredeti hozzászólása:

Dudeus eredeti hozzászólása:

1 stone to kill 2 birds, easy thinking as to why they are doing this. First bird is to lower the aggro of "I have to stop to eat and drink?", then second bird is "I have more space in my stash now". People call them idiots, I call them the people with your money. The sales shows the mistakes you all claim seem to be in your heads. Gotta love the intelligence of forums, it shows. I play games, they don't play me.

waow, i have to clic "tab" "help" "fresh water" every 30 minutes in a fallout game ! what a mess !!
currently, with 3 water purifier, i earn 700 cap a day, so dont tell me water and food are a problem...
the stash problem is virtual, cuz made by bethesda, there is nothing to solve
the way u think is weirdo...

You can tell by the way he talks he's a hyper pretentious guy who thinks he has an IQ of 5000 because he watches rick and morty

[JACK DÆMEN]

-00- eredeti hozzászólása:

Companies like Bethesda who take IP like Fallout and then turn it into childish casual games where they let their users beta test for them is like GM buying Hummer and making the H2 out of a Suburban.

If they remove Hunger and Thirst, listen it's no longer Fallout. They are making Star Trek Discovery.

I didn't think it was true it is such an abjectly terrible idea for anyone over 16 - but it's true.

https://massivelyop.com/2020/05/28/fallout-76-interview-bethsoft-on-one-wasteland-text-chat-and-other-radioactive-topics/

I guess I better finish up the main questline once and for all so I can play a real RPG when they lower the bar for the lowest common denominator once again.

Fallout: Candy Crush Edition

Won't change a thing as it hasn't for FO4.

[Zekh]

If they keep cutting down the core experience, features and stuff.. that will destroy the identity of the game, OP is completely right on that. You don't ask Dark Souls devs to remove the thing in which you drop souls when you die, right ? That's the same.

Immersion got improved severely over the Fallout iterations : heal over time and not instantaneous, not maxhealthing when sleeping for an hour, not calling Obsidian to make another game (that's a free jab for you, NV fans, yeaaaah, eat that, it's free, boooooom).

What I'm mad about, is that now you could have an army of level 1 fresh from the vault go and take down a Scorchbeast Queen, because scaling.

Yeah, little noobie with his 10mm making as much damage as your ultracite laser gatling.
Let it sink.

[Monk]

No they couldn't, well, given enough time perhaps, but removing negatives for food and drink isn't a a bad thing, frankly, anyone who thinks it makes the game harder and not just an annoyance, is bad at the game, also, completely different to dark souls so should not really be compared.

[Friendly Ghostface]

Zeppo eredeti hozzászólása:

totally agreed...
bethesda is makingg mistake after mistake...
i'm kinda afraid for skyrim 6...

Never heard of Skyrim 6, I've heard of the Elder Scrolls 6.