DEFENDING a claimed workshop

[Geezasaur]

This has happened to me three times now, am I missing something?
Ive claimed a workshop (obviouslty previuosly unowned), built it up, and built defenses which were quite strong enough to fend off the attacks by the npc creatures.
Then all of a sudden, along comes a high-level Player, contests it, kills me with one shot, Im done and the place is theirs.
What I dont understand is how you are not given any time to fight back, or at least make any (fair) attempt to counter this contesting. It just seems BAAM-workshop being contested and your dead!
I fully understand (having and needing) the mechanism in the game to contest and take over (owned) workshops, but how is it fair that you get a 1-second notice that your "being contested", and before you can react, your dead with one shot.
It surely seems easy picking for a HIGH Level Player to scope out a lower-level Owner, and then just contest and kill with one shot, not giving any chance for a fight.
Granted I was at levels 40-42-50 these three times, and each time a Level 200+ just offed me with only the (above mentioned) warning.
If that's just the way it is, okay then, but does not seem fair to not even give the Defender any chance at a fight, just a quick notice, then death.
Should I then at lvl 50 seek out owned workshops of those that much lower then me too? Even then it still does not seem fair to not give them a chance.

[Brian9824]

引用自 Dex：

They need to make them into coop zones instead of sticking with their initial pvp thought. have the resource collectors on workshops give out resources to all players instead of just the first person to take it.

Not really much of a point as workshop resource production is a joke. It's far more efficient to just go out and collect your resources then to take a workshop and have to keep defending it, keep revisiting it to collect it, etc.

You can get more resources in 5 minutes then you could from a workshop in 2-3 hours.....

[Dex]

引用自 brian9824：

引用自 Dex：

They need to make them into coop zones instead of sticking with their initial pvp thought. have the resource collectors on workshops give out resources to all players instead of just the first person to take it.

Not really much of a point as workshop resource production is a joke. It's far more efficient to just go out and collect your resources then to take a workshop and have to keep defending it, keep revisiting it to collect it, etc.

You can get more resources in 5 minutes then you could from a workshop in 2-3 hours.....

Yea, they'd have to increase the speed of production by like 5 times to make it worth while i guess. I defend once for the plan reward and then leave, that seems like it's worth it

[Brian9824]

引用自 Dex：

引用自 brian9824：

Not really much of a point as workshop resource production is a joke. It's far more efficient to just go out and collect your resources then to take a workshop and have to keep defending it, keep revisiting it to collect it, etc.

You can get more resources in 5 minutes then you could from a workshop in 2-3 hours.....

Yea, they'd have to increase the speed of production by like 5 times to make it worth while i guess. I defend once for the plan reward and then leave, that seems like it's worth it

Yep i'll join to defend them for the plans, etc. Or take them for fast travel points.

[Tesityr]

引用自 Dex：

They need to make them into coop zones instead of sticking with their initial pvp thought. have the resource collectors on workshops give out resources to all players instead of just the first person to take it.

If I may 'Second' this, what a great idea!

Turn the World Workshops into 'teams' - where when a person comes within the 'range' of the Workshop, it has a pop-up that makes them "Select a Side" (if it's Contested) - if you have Friends there you can agree beforehand on which "side" to take. Then, everyone 'fights for the Workshop' within a period of time. With the Turrets of the Defending team, it gives them time to rally other Friends even, to Defend the Workshop... This might be fun!

[Bored Peon]

引用自 Dex：

....workshops give out resources to all players...

Horrible idea. Why should the game just give out free resources?

If anything it should give the resources out to people that go defend it.

引用自 Tesityr：

Turn the World Workshops into 'teams' - where when a person comes within the 'range' of the Workshop...

...and when everyone joins the winning team or has premade teams versus pick up groups....

[Just Chill]

引用自 Bored Peon：

引用自 Dex：

....workshops give out resources to all players...

Horrible idea. Why should the game just give out free resources?

If anything it should give the resources out to people that go defend it.

I actually understood that Dex meant it in that way.
Not like "to all players active on the server", but only to the ones participated on the workshop defense.

[Tesityr]

引用自 Bored Peon：

引用自 Tesityr：

Turn the World Workshops into 'teams' - where when a person comes within the 'range' of the Workshop...

...and when everyone joins the winning team or has premade teams versus pick up groups....

That all doesn't matter here, because it can happen regardless, such as in a First Person Shooter game where people can "be in a premade group of friends". They can do that here too.
It also doesn't matter in this scenario because the main concepts were actually "a timer" and the ability of the Turrets to add to the fighting (which the Attackers cannot do/use) - both giving the ability of Defense ("a fighting chance"), at least.

[^Grin^]

The biggest problem with Workshop PvP is that an attacker can just wait to ambush you after they pay the caps and there's nothing you can do to prevent/stop them from getting the opening shots on you.

Best way to handle workshops, if you want them, is to capture them and leave. Return after a while to collect your loot and do not stick around.

Defenses don't mean much, really not worth the time.

Also, whenever you are crouched "stealthed" other players can't see you on the map.

[Bored Peon]

引用自 Tesityr：

引用自 Bored Peon：

...and when everyone joins the winning team or has premade teams versus pick up groups....

That all doesn't matter here, because....

...it is a pointless suggestion that will never happen.

Since this discussion has turned from claiming workshops under the current system into suggestions to change it I see no further point to be here.

[⎝⧹Za Furan⧸⎠]

It only happened me once in 114 hours. But yeah, it was quite annoying, I claimed Lakeside Cabins for taking more lead which I need for crafting ammo and I got oneshoted and died before even noticing I was being attacked. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[DivineLion]

power armor helps going up against bloody builds. then again you need fast reactions since they are also easily killed.

[RMPyro]

引用自 DivineLion：

power armor helps going up against bloody builds. then again you need fast reactions since they are also easily killed.

No they don't. I can kill a full t-65 in one sec with my bloodied explosive handmade. Power armors are very weak in pvp, against players with endgame gear. Its better to use chinese stealth armor in pvp. Assassin sentinel armor is good too, but legacy weapons destroy those as well.

[Mereoleona, Fister of Fury]

swear this is a repost. saw this literally the first day it was released on steam.

[Kai]

I would like PVP in open world but it has to be done right... Mostly a 'invader' style PVP where players would only interact with you temporarily but also matching your level range.

[Regulose]

The person that said next to useless for resources. That is not true, we get lots of them from farming, plus they give plans after PVE defense. we go to a priv server and farm them all the time. Brain9824 is prob one of them trolls. we take all of them on a priv server, inv all 8 players. it is nice.