Why are people so quick to forgive bethesda?

[TheAvPman]

They screwed you guys over with fallout 76 again and again.
Don't believe me here is a list.
.Atomic shop in what "was" a 60$ game (20$ for blue armor!!!!!)
.They promised 16x the detail of fallout four (I just don't see it do you)
.Almost every update was one step foreward two steps back
.They made a new launcher just for that and forced people to buy it there so they got more money
.They had no NPC's and no good storytelling till now
.Anybody remember the canvas bag incident
.Bethesda be banned a huge supporter (He made map76) for testing and reporting a bug even they were allowed by the devs to do that sort of thing
.There was also that nuka dark rum and the moldy power armor helmets they sold
.Bethesda did almost nothing to stop cheaters (at one point people could steal your inventory just by looking at you
.This game had and still has way too many bugs even though it has been out for a while now
.Bethesda released fallout first instead of content that could actually be used to help the game
.Fallout first was broken in many ways
.They forgot to secure ownership of the website they linked for fallout first so we got this amazing page https://falloutfirst.com/

Lmk if I forgot anything....
Actually don't they done ♥♥♥♥ed up too many times to count.

[Djeeza]

Originally posted by JocularJosh:

Originally posted by Kalarual:

Dude, I'm on vacation from work and in quarantine, the ♥♥♥♥ else am I going to do around the house.

Play games you actually like for a start?

yeah that too

[Taka]

Originally posted by JocularJosh:

Originally posted by Kalarual:

Dude, I'm on vacation from work and in quarantine, the ♥♥♥♥ else am I going to do around the house.

Play games you actually like for a start?

I'm near the end of ffvii remake and I already finished persona 5 during this. Don't really want to blast through all my games.

[Badhabit]

Originally posted by TheAvPman:

They screwed you guys over with fallout 76 again and again.
Don't believe me here is a list.
.Atomic shop in what "was" a 60$ game (20$ for blue armor!!!!!)
.They promised 16x the detail of fallout four (I just don't see it do you)
.Almost every update was one step foreward two steps back
.They made a new launcher just for that and forced people to buy it there so they got more money
.They had no NPC's and no good storytelling till now
.Anybody remember the canvas bag incident
.Bethesda be banned a huge supporter (He made map76) for testing and reporting a bug even they were allowed by the devs to do that sort of thing
.There was also that nuka dark rum and the moldy power armor helmets they sold
.Bethesda did almost nothing to stop cheaters (at one point people could steal your inventory just by looking at you
.This game had and still has way too many bugs even though it has been out for a while now
.Bethesda released fallout first instead of content that could actually be used to help the game
.Fallout first was broken in many ways
.They forgot to secure ownership of the website they linked for fallout first so we got this amazing page https://falloutfirst.com/

Lmk if I forgot anything....
Actually don't they done ♥♥♥♥ed up too many times to count.

Bethesda never lie about the game, I know what type of game they are making. I skip it, untill it was 10usd, and then I try it. suprisingly, I had some fun time. I never expecting this game mount to anything. Its not like they hide the fact its a type of MMORPG.
-And selling cosmetic stuff is not wrong, since it has little to effect in game. and no one force you to buy it.

Sure, they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ about the "bag", but other then that I don't see they actually lie about what you would get. Game failed because they try something new, and the idea never really worked right, other then huge list of bugs. I think they were brave to try something new(while I didn't like "online MP Fallout idea" from the start)

[Taka]

Originally posted by Badhabit:

Originally posted by TheAvPman:

They screwed you guys over with fallout 76 again and again.
Don't believe me here is a list.
.Atomic shop in what "was" a 60$ game (20$ for blue armor!!!!!)
.They promised 16x the detail of fallout four (I just don't see it do you)
.Almost every update was one step foreward two steps back
.They made a new launcher just for that and forced people to buy it there so they got more money
.They had no NPC's and no good storytelling till now
.Anybody remember the canvas bag incident
.Bethesda be banned a huge supporter (He made map76) for testing and reporting a bug even they were allowed by the devs to do that sort of thing
.There was also that nuka dark rum and the moldy power armor helmets they sold
.Bethesda did almost nothing to stop cheaters (at one point people could steal your inventory just by looking at you
.This game had and still has way too many bugs even though it has been out for a while now
.Bethesda released fallout first instead of content that could actually be used to help the game
.Fallout first was broken in many ways
.They forgot to secure ownership of the website they linked for fallout first so we got this amazing page https://falloutfirst.com/

Lmk if I forgot anything....
Actually don't they done ♥♥♥♥ed up too many times to count.

Bethesda never lie about the game, I know what type of game they are making. I skip it, untill it was 10usd, and then I try it. suprisingly, I had some fun time. I never expecting this game mount to anything. Its not like they hide the fact its a type of MMORPG.
-And selling cosmetic stuff is not wrong, since it has little to effect in game. and no one force you to buy it.

Sure, they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ about the "bag", but other then that I don't see they actually lie about what you would get. Game failed because they try something new, and the idea never really worked right, other then huge list of bugs. I think they were brave to try something new(while I didn't like "online MP Fallout idea" from the start)

...they never lied?


holy crap man you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wrong.



they lied about the cash shop, the bag, the "16x the detail", the private servers, theres probably more but they aren't coming to mind.

[TheAvPman]

Originally posted by Kalarual:

Originally posted by Badhabit:

Bethesda never lie about the game, I know what type of game they are making. I skip it, untill it was 10usd, and then I try it. suprisingly, I had some fun time. I never expecting this game mount to anything. Its not like they hide the fact its a type of MMORPG.
-And selling cosmetic stuff is not wrong, since it has little to effect in game. and no one force you to buy it.

Sure, they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ about the "bag", but other then that I don't see they actually lie about what you would get. Game failed because they try something new, and the idea never really worked right, other then huge list of bugs. I think they were brave to try something new(while I didn't like "online MP Fallout idea" from the start)

...they never lied?


holy crap man you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wrong.



they lied about the cash shop, the bag, the "16x the detail", the private servers, theres probably more but they aren't coming to mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFcLyDb6niA

Edit: also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjyeCdd-dl8&t=427s

[Taka]

Originally posted by TheAvPman:

Originally posted by Kalarual:

...they never lied?


holy crap man you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wrong.



they lied about the cash shop, the bag, the "16x the detail", the private servers, theres probably more but they aren't coming to mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFcLyDb6niA

Edit: also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjyeCdd-dl8&t=427s

"16x the detail" is so freaking vague... why did anyone believe this?

[Zekh]

Just admit you lost and Bethesda won.
Are you a Witcher cultist or something ?

[spuddy]

Originally posted by TheAvPman:

They screwed you guys over with fallout 76 again and again.
Don't believe me here is a list.
.Atomic shop in what "was" a 60$ game (20$ for blue armor!!!!!)
.They promised 16x the detail of fallout four (I just don't see it do you)
.Almost every update was one step foreward two steps back
.They made a new launcher just for that and forced people to buy it there so they got more money
.They had no NPC's and no good storytelling till now
.Anybody remember the canvas bag incident
.Bethesda be banned a huge supporter (He made map76) for testing and reporting a bug even they were allowed by the devs to do that sort of thing
.There was also that nuka dark rum and the moldy power armor helmets they sold
.Bethesda did almost nothing to stop cheaters (at one point people could steal your inventory just by looking at you
.This game had and still has way too many bugs even though it has been out for a while now
.Bethesda released fallout first instead of content that could actually be used to help the game
.Fallout first was broken in many ways
.They forgot to secure ownership of the website they linked for fallout first so we got this amazing page https://falloutfirst.com/

Lmk if I forgot anything....
Actually don't they done ♥♥♥♥ed up too many times to count.

Because they are 10 years old and mummy and daddy got them the game for being good little boys and girls.

[TheAvPman]

Originally posted by Zekh:

Just admit you lost and Bethesda won.
Are you a Witcher cultist or something ?

Witcher is a great game at least compared to this garbage... But it is not by any means something that I play constantly or gush about.

[Zekh]

Originally posted by TheAvPman:

Originally posted by Zekh:

Just admit you lost and Bethesda won.
Are you a Witcher cultist or something ?

Witcher is a great game at least compared to this garbage... But it is not by any means something that I play constantly or gush about.

Lmao, exposed.
Yeah sure, I'll totally believe you x')

[TheAvPman]

Originally posted by Zekh:

Originally posted by TheAvPman:

Witcher is a great game at least compared to this garbage... But it is not by any means something that I play constantly or gush about.

Lmao, exposed.
Yeah sure, I'll totally believe you x')

What is wrong with liking the witcher?
Also if you dont believe me check my steam. My hours are made public so you can see for yourself.

[Virtual Vessel]

I'll attempt to answer your questions to the best of my ability.

1. The Atom Shop is an entirely optional part of the game, using currency that you can easily obtain through regular gameplay.

2. Many areas are far more detailed than the environments seen in Fallout 4 - the greatest example of this in my opinion is the newly overhauled Crater location, a raider town built in the heart of a crashed space station. Or if you would prefer a location that has been around since before Wastelanders, perhaps try the Asylum.

3. This point has no substance. While there were updates that caused bugs to surface/resurface, the quality of the game still tended towards a rising curve.

4. The launcher existed prior to Fallout 76. While I'm in no way a fan of it, I understand that it was intended to maximize initial profits by cutting Valve out of the equation - which was a smart business decision in the short term, as the game itself was a rather small project.

5. Not entirely true - there were no *human* NPCs up until now. The best example (again, my opinion) of this is Rose, the Raider-aligned Miss Nanny with an AI meant to replicate the lost love of a now dead Raider Chief.

6. The Canvas bag situation was poorly handled - yet this doesn't really reflect on the game in the slightest. We are talking about the game, right?

7. I monitored this situation when it first arose, and I still don't entirely believe the "bug testing" angle he went for. I suspect it was a bug he abused. To that effect, many exploiter's accounts were restored once the bugs they were abusing were patched. While I don't have an update on the situation, I can safely say the Map 76 site is back up and running - whether or not it is under new management I am not aware.

8. Bethesda merely requested that products were created using vague specifications. The end products were not their responsibility, and were the fault of the third party manufacturers. However, this still has nothing to do with the game.

9. There have been quite a few large ban waves that would disagree with you - Bethesda is avidly hunting down and banning cheaters and exploiters.

10. Bethesda has actually been quite active (and even proactive) when it comes to bugfixing. In fact, they now run a PTS in order to catch bugs before release so that they never see the light of day.

11. Fallout 1st (as well as the Atom shop) were created as a means for diehard fans and long-time supporters to give Bethesda additional funds (and incentive) towards the continued maintenance and updates of Fallout 76. Having funding is important for game development, you know!

12. I don't have any firsthand experience in this regard. However, I can say this: I can almost guarantee that nobody subscribed to Fallout 1st for the meager benefits it provides. Rather, they subscribed because they want to support the development of the game - a game that Bethesda knew it would be dangerous to make. Stepping outside the norm in the game industry is almost always frowned upon.

13. This doesn't reflect on the game in the slightest - what it does showcase, however, is how dedicated some people are to raining on the parades of others. It's quite sad, really.


Hope this helps! Let me know if you have any questions.

[TheAvPman]

Originally posted by Slappo:

I'll attempt to answer your questions to the best of my ability.

1. The Atom Shop is an entirely optional part of the game, using currency that you can easily obtain through regular gameplay.

2. Many areas are far more detailed than the environments seen in Fallout 4 - the greatest example of this in my opinion is the newly overhauled Crater location, a raider town built in the heart of a crashed space station. Or if you would prefer a location that has been around since before Wastelanders, perhaps try the Asylum.

3. This point has no substance. While there were updates that caused bugs to surface/resurface, the quality of the game still tended towards a rising curve.

4. The launcher existed prior to Fallout 76. While I'm in no way a fan of it, I understand that it was intended to maximize initial profits by cutting Valve out of the equation - which was a smart business decision in the short term, as the game itself was a rather small project.

5. Not entirely true - there were no *human* NPCs up until now. The best example (again, my opinion) of this is Rose, the Raider-aligned Miss Nanny with an AI meant to replicate the lost love of a now dead Raider Chief.

6. The Canvas bag situation was poorly handled - yet this doesn't really reflect on the game in the slightest. We are talking about the game, right?

7. I monitored this situation when it first arose, and I still don't entirely believe the "bug testing" angle he went for. I suspect it was a bug he abused. To that effect, many exploiter's accounts were restored once the bugs they were abusing were patched. While I don't have an update on the situation, I can safely say the Map 76 site is back up and running - whether or not it is under new management I am not aware.

8. Bethesda merely requested that products were created using vague specifications. The end products were not their responsibility, and were the fault of the third party manufacturers. However, this still has nothing to do with the game.

9. There have been quite a few large ban waves that would disagree with you - Bethesda is avidly hunting down and banning cheaters and exploiters.

10. Bethesda has actually been quite active (and even proactive) when it comes to bugfixing. In fact, they now run a PTS in order to catch bugs before release so that they never see the light of day.

11. Fallout 1st (as well as the Atom shop) were created as a means for diehard fans and long-time supporters to give Bethesda additional funds (and incentive) towards the continued maintenance and updates of Fallout 76. Having funding is important for game development, you know!

12. I don't have any firsthand experience in this regard. However, I can say this: I can almost guarantee that nobody subscribed to Fallout 1st for the meager benefits it provides. Rather, they subscribed because they want to support the development of the game - a game that Bethesda knew it would be dangerous to make. Stepping outside the norm in the game industry is almost always frowned upon.

13. This doesn't reflect on the game in the slightest - what it does showcase, however, is how dedicated some people are to raining on the parades of others. It's quite sad, really.


Hope this helps! Let me know if you have any questions.

There were a lot of things that I didn't add for sake of time.
Here this is more about the game specifically in the form of a video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjyeCdd-dl8&t=427s

[THAC0]

Originally posted by Zekh:

Just admit you lost and Bethesda won.
Are you a Witcher cultist or something ?

[THAC0]

I Mean Professionaly speaking name me 2-3 Over-all Better Online Survivor RPGS then FO76 heck name 1