lost sentry guns

[Evil Nox]

I have a couple of questions.

So I did one mission where I had FOUR sentry guns, and I deployed them all, AND there were two more in crates. So I had six sentry guns out...awesome. BUT the problem is that a cutscene made me leave them all behind. I just tried to go back to that mission to collect them BUT I can't get there any longer. Is that a bug that the elevator won't take me there anymore or are they just gone forever now?

Also, on mission one, there's still one datapad that I can't find. I even went back twice trying to find it. Is there any way to figure out what one i'm missing and it's location?

[Chaotic Entropy]

I loaded the save, picked up four of the turrets before the 2nd wave and then went behind the ARC to rely on its gunfire. Seemed a bit of an annoying way to throw away your deployed turrets without warning or chance to pick them up. >.>'

[behemoth227]

There are a few set piece defense situations like that, places you never return to, so if you leave your sentries there they're gone for good. Happened in my run three or four times, losing 4-5 sentries each time. If you explore thoroughly, you'll be able to replace them without too much trouble.

[behemoth227]

As far as the data pad goes, they appear on the map, so if you've been to every room, and checked behind every building, zoom in and scroll around while you're parked in a safe place, looking for the tiny little PDA icon.

[StrafeFC]

Having played through the game once I knew this event as coming so on my second playthrough in nightmare mode, there are a few waves that attack, on the final wave pack the sentries up and fall back to the arc if you need to. Then you won't lose any. :) With the way saves are done based on event triggers you should be able to reload that part and do it without much wasting time.

[Evil Nox]

See, I've always been able to go back and collect stuff up to that point. So I just let the sentries go thinking i could go back like all other times, then I completed the next mission before going back for those sentries to my surprise i couldn't. So I don't want to lose progress just for the sentries. I'm since back up to two of them.

I don't understand why I can't go back as the events of the cutscene didn't destroy the place or anything and the map shows that they are still there lol.

As far as that datapad.... There doesn't appear to be a spot on the map of even a spec of fog of war so I'm not sure how i missed it.

I was trying to collect everything before "pioneer station" mission just because.

[behemoth227]

Originally posted by Evil Nox:

See, I've always been able to go back and collect stuff up to that point. So I just let the sentries go thinking i could go back like all other times, then I completed the next mission before going back for those sentries to my surprise i couldn't. So I don't want to lose progress just for the sentries. I'm since back up to two of them.

I don't understand why I can't go back as the events of the cutscene didn't destroy the place or anything and the map shows that they are still there lol.

As far as that datapad.... There doesn't appear to be a spot on the map of even a spec of fog of war so I'm not sure how i missed it.

I was trying to collect everything before "pioneer station" mission just because.

One datapad I very nearly missed on the first map, was just outside the mine elevator building, with a pile of dead humans and a dead alien. It was the first I'd encountered outside, and I walked right over it. Didn't notice it until I was done down below and on my way out.

[Evil Nox]

I've actually collected that one like 4 times lol. Maybe it's the one I'm missing and just never registers.

[behemoth227]

Originally posted by Evil Nox:

I've actually collected that one like 4 times lol. Maybe it's the one I'm missing and just never registers.

In the codex, each entry has it own specific slot, if you check which number you're missing, it'll at least give you a place to start looking. I just finished my all PDA run, so I can at least tell you which one you're missing.

[Stone]

Losing all four must suck, I lost one in a unavoidable cut scene too. Once it made it turn, I dunno, black? Not broken or out of ammo, but it was outside the scenario parameters. I could still go back and pick it up though,

[Paladestar]

Originally posted by behemoth227:

There are a few set piece defense situations like that, places you never return to, so if you leave your sentries there they're gone for good. Happened in my run three or four times, losing 4-5 sentries each time. If you explore thoroughly, you'll be able to replace them without too much trouble.

Yes and no. You're right, there's so many sentries in the game that losing some isn't typically a big deal, you'll have them replaced in no time. Except right after mission 3 ends, you're forced to do mission 4 one day later, so you don't have time to collect more.

The sentries make mission 4 a whole lot easier and you need them pretty much from the start of the mission. When the power loader is placing the two heavy turrets, the whole thing is a lot more controlled and less frenetic if the rest of your squad can run ahead of the marine in the power loader and set up a defensive line of sentries near the heavy turret deployment location, to secure the area in advance, before the power loader gets anywhere near that location.

To go into mission 4 with no sentries is a pain in the rear-end. Yes, you could buy three or four on the deployment screen (there's one on the mission to collect near the second heavy turret deployment point, so if you deploy with three you have space to bring that extra sentry back with you to add to your reserve stock of turrets on the Otago), but at that stage of the game materials are more limited than they are later in the game. Early game you really want to be spending your materials on permanent upgrades for your squad instead.

On my first play-through I had permissive saves on, so just reloaded my mission 3 save from before the final battle and made sure to grab my turrets just as the second wave was ending.

On my second play-through I was doing it on nightmare with the restrictive saves mode activated. I was aware of the potential issue with the turrets being left behind at the end of mission 3, so I purposely left all of my turrets behind on the Otago when I deployed on mission 3, knowing that I'd be able to collect more during that mission. It was a good thing I did, because even knowing what was coming at the end of the mission, I was slightly too slow in packing up my sentries and only managed to get one before the cut-scene kicked-in. Someone on a first play-through wouldn't know to make sure they had spare sentries stored on the Otago, as a mission 4 'insurance policy,' before deploying on mission 3 though.

[Team Triss]

Originally posted by StrafeFC:

Having played through the game once I knew this event as coming so on my second playthrough in nightmare mode, there are a few waves that attack, on the final wave pack the sentries up and fall back to the arc if you need to. Then you won't lose any. :) With the way saves are done based on event triggers you should be able to reload that part and do it without much wasting time.

The part about saves and event triggers does not apply on No One Can Hear You Scream mode FYI.