Save Lise or not?

[dudeworthington]

Looking at the forum, I sort of got the impression that the datapads very strongly convict Drake alone. Drake is a gimme, a slam-dunk. Lise talked to Marlow at some point so that raises a flag. Having read all the datapads available up to this point in-game, that is my impression too. But if you kill Drake and bring back Lise you will still be sabotaged later? Or no? The forum was a bit murky on this point.

[Beltane]

Lise is fine to extract. The sabotage act happens regardless.... however, later on you might find someone else who might have done that.

[dudeworthington]

Publicado originalmente por Beltane:

Lise is fine to extract. The sabotage act happens regardless.... however, later on you might find someone else who might have done that.

So wait even if you shoot all survivors, you still get sabotaged?

[Lokocz]

Wasn't it in the patch notes it was fixed? Well, definitely not for me - either the quest is still bugged or she "does that" too. Same with reprimand during supressive fire.

[Beltane]

Publicado originalmente por dudeworthington:

Publicado originalmente por Beltane:

Lise is fine to extract. The sabotage act happens regardless.... however, later on you might find someone else who might have done that.

So wait even if you shoot all survivors, you still get sabotaged?

Dunno, wasn't in the mood to try all possibilities. But i have seen someone kill of Lise and the sabotage act happen afterwards, and it still happened with me saving all but the soldier guy. So imho, all but that one guy should be safe, at least according to the ingame data records.

And as said, there is one person who could have done it that are not these 3 people - which you will see later on in the game.

[Barrier]

Could the sabotage be triggered by the marines you take in for the defense mission?

[dudeworthington]

Publicado originalmente por Barrier:

Could the sabotage be triggered by the marines you take in for the defense mission?

It was awfully convenient wasn't it? If we buy into the plot seriously, it is very suspicious. But from a game standpoint it just seemed like the devs didn't want to potentially put the game into an unwinnable state. I guess there is no reason why it couldn't be both, that would be a real curveball. I forgot if the game even offered you the option of turning them away or not.

In any case, the atmosphere nightmare mission is the first point where the game gives a cue that taking in survivors could be a problem. I feel like this it is very likely that taking the game at face value here is correct (but not guaranteed).

[DragynDance]

It wasn't fixed. I even shot all survivors and still got the sabotage. So you might as well rescue all three for the one extra engineer, because you keep them even after they sabotage you.

[Deepeye]

Sorry don't remember the names except for Drake, but I was playing pre last patch. Nuked Drake as it was obvious, saved one person and the botanist - which was a mistake. Botanist is impregnated based on logs. Yet the sabotage happened, it could be completely different reason - like hint at existing crew, not to spoil things.

[dudeworthington]

Publicado originalmente por Deepeye:

Sorry don't remember the names except for Drake, but I was playing pre last patch. Nuked Drake as it was obvious, saved one person and the botanist - which was a mistake. Botanist is impregnated based on logs. Yet the sabotage happened, it could be completely different reason - like hint at existing crew, not to spoil things.

I don't recall reading anything like that in the datapads. Unless it is a datapad past the elevator which would be an interesting choice for the devs.

[MassImpact124]

Is this the same sabotage of sorts that either your entire crew got ill from xeno stuff. or what? I mean the only sabotage claim is usually on those pass a day popups and stuff.
Not entirely sure whether or not having her on board will cause it to happen. Frankly, not a real big concern because it doesn't affect the game play asides from this being another type of Day drama thing that we usually see and then forget. I personally save all my survivors. I mean who is a marine to be judge jury and executioner?
You shouldn't really give a damn after 10 engineers and 6 medical staff because after that you can't get anymore.

[Harathan]

Publicado originalmente por dudeworthington:

Publicado originalmente por Deepeye:

Sorry don't remember the names except for Drake, but I was playing pre last patch. Nuked Drake as it was obvious, saved one person and the botanist - which was a mistake. Botanist is impregnated based on logs. Yet the sabotage happened, it could be completely different reason - like hint at existing crew, not to spoil things.

I don't recall reading anything like that in the datapads. Unless it is a datapad past the elevator which would be an interesting choice for the devs.

Based on the two datapads, she's not impregnated. I dunno what the other guy is talking about.

[Deepeye]

Publicado originalmente por Harathan:

Publicado originalmente por dudeworthington:

I don't recall reading anything like that in the datapads. Unless it is a datapad past the elevator which would be an interesting choice for the devs.

Based on the two datapads, she's not impregnated. I dunno what the other guy is talking about.

Gimme a moment, will re-check Atmospheric Nightmare data pads. 99% sure I am right about this one.

Here it is.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2998830844

Not everything is clearly stated. You have to read carefully.

The guy engineer is safe - other log states that parasite was removed.
Drake is a cultist.
Botanist lady is impregnated.

[eech1]

Just save everyone.

[Harathan]

Publicado originalmente por Deepeye:

Publicado originalmente por Harathan:

Based on the two datapads, she's not impregnated. I dunno what the other guy is talking about.

Gimme a moment, will re-check Atmospheric Nightmare data pads. 99% sure I am right about this one.

Here it is.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2998830844

Not everything is clearly stated. You have to read carefully.

The guy engineer is safe - other log states that parasite was removed.
Drake is a cultist.
Botanist lady is impregnated.

I understand and accept how you got to the conclusion you did. My interpretation is different.

That datapad addresses Felmann using the botanists approach to neutralize the acid of a parasite attached to a host. It doesn't say anything about the botanist being the impregnated host, nor would that make sense since the botanist could only come up with that approach if she were not incapacitated. It does say "the creature awakened something in her" but it doesn't say there's a creature inside her. And based on the order of the logs, my take is that they already know the impregnation eventually kills the host, which would render "Should keep an eye on her research" somewhat redundant - if the botanist is impregnated Felmann would know there'd be no more research to keep an eye on.

The logs aren't written in secret code, its literally just someone making a log - the other logs make it clear that Xenomorphs are new to them. Taken at face value, the botanist is clean in my opinion.

I suspect tho it doesn't make a huge difference in-game, at least as things stand.

[Deepeye]

Publicado originalmente por Harathan:

Publicado originalmente por Deepeye:

Gimme a moment, will re-check Atmospheric Nightmare data pads. 99% sure I am right about this one.

Here it is.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2998830844

Not everything is clearly stated. You have to read carefully.

The guy engineer is safe - other log states that parasite was removed.
Drake is a cultist.
Botanist lady is impregnated.

I understand and accept how you got to the conclusion you did. My interpretation is different.

That datapad addresses Felmann using the botanists approach to neutralize the acid of a parasite attached to a host. It doesn't say anything about the botanist being the impregnated host, nor would that make sense since the botanist could only come up with that approach if she were not incapacitated. It does say "the creature awakened something in her" but it doesn't say there's a creature inside her. And based on the order of the logs, my take is that they already know the impregnation eventually kills the host, which would render "Should keep an eye on her research" somewhat redundant - if the botanist is impregnated Felmann would know there'd be no more research to keep an eye on.

The logs aren't written in secret code, its literally just someone making a log - the other logs make it clear that Xenomorphs are new to them. Taken at face value, the botanist is clean in my opinion.

I suspect tho it doesn't make a huge difference in-game, at least as things stand.

Let's agree to disagree then, to me it's literally stated in the log that botanist is impregnated "The botanist has good instincts, almost like that creature awakened something in her". Could even refer to your last paragraph.

Was the botanist Lise? That part I do not remember, guess it is her as rest of the chars are male. I remember a guy engineer, Drake (recruit apparently) and then the female botanist.

And yeah, the event happens anyways apparently. It might be connected to the other main story involved character. Not to spoil more.