A cape? what the actuall...

[Jazzdog]

ive just unlocked the reconclass and what do i have to see? The guy is wearing a froggin cape! what the actuall frog? A cape is propably the most idiotic and dangerous clothing item you could wear in a combat situation. No one wears capes (you see them on stylized imagery of knights out of the middle ages though i assume thats just fantasy too). And that in Aliens which always had a griddy, brutal and "realistic" appeal? absurd! Or did i missed something in the movies? Was there anyone wearing a froggin cape?!? jesus... other than that: great game. love it.

[Jazzdog]

Originalmente postado por PatriotOgre:

Originalmente postado por Jazzdog:

ive just unlocked the reconclass and what do i have to see? The guy is wearing a froggin cape! what the actuall frog? A cape is propably the most idiotic and dangerous clothing item you could wear in a combat situation. No one wears capes (you see them on stylized imagery of knights out of the middle ages though i assume thats just fantasy too). And that in Aliens which always had a griddy, brutal and "realistic" appeal? absurd! Or did i missed something in the movies? Was there anyone wearing a froggin cape?!? jesus... other than that: great game. love it.

Soviet troops wore them in ww2 so your argument that no one wears capes is invalid.

are you kidding me? when germany blitzed Poland with their tanks poland send cavallery regiments to fight them so after your logic cavallery is still used in modern warfare?

[MysticalPotato]

Originalmente postado por Jazzdog:

ive just unlocked the reconclass and what do i have to see? The guy is wearing a froggin cape! what the actuall frog? A cape is propably the most idiotic and dangerous clothing item you could wear in a combat situation. No one wears capes (you see them on stylized imagery of knights out of the middle ages

Not sure if you noticed, but this is a VIDEO GAME. Not real life.
Your complaint is about as logical as saying an Alien with two mouths is stupid. Get on with your life instead of whining about trivialities in a video game.

[MysticalPotato]

Originalmente postado por Jazzdog:

Originalmente postado por I Throw Spears.:

Alien is from 1979. Capes are groovy man.

Thats the only counterargument i somewhat respect! ;)

p.s. though im from 1980 and ive never found them groovy!
my point stands: not in Aliens!

Yes in Aliens. Get over it

[Jazzdog]

Originalmente postado por MysticalPotato:

Originalmente postado por Jazzdog:

ive just unlocked the reconclass and what do i have to see? The guy is wearing a froggin cape! what the actuall frog? A cape is propably the most idiotic and dangerous clothing item you could wear in a combat situation. No one wears capes (you see them on stylized imagery of knights out of the middle ages

Not sure if you noticed, but this is a VIDEO GAME. Not real life.
Your complaint is about as logical as saying an Alien with two mouths is stupid. Get on with your life instead of whining about trivialities in a video game.

tell me what is it... where does that urge come from for people like you to give that ever same comment. if you dont care... why?
i love Aliens. As an Aliensfan i see new additions critically. Aliens has a very specific artstyle. it is,as stated in op, very "realistic". There are no capes. never. that i criticized. if you find discussions of fans rediculous - why would you comment? just move along for frogssake.

[dorohn]

Originalmente postado por Jazzdog:

ive just unlocked the reconclass and what do i have to see? The guy is wearing a froggin cape! what the actuall frog? A cape is propably the most idiotic and dangerous clothing item you could wear in a combat situation. No one wears capes (you see them on stylized imagery of knights out of the middle ages though i assume thats just fantasy too). And that in Aliens which always had a griddy, brutal and "realistic" appeal? absurd! Or did i missed something in the movies? Was there anyone wearing a froggin cape?!? jesus... other than that: great game. love it.

Batman without cape is like chicken without feather.

[devildog77]

Originalmente postado por Eightball:

Babies first game. Never seen a ghillie suit before.

Which are never free-flowing capes.

[Fannidan13]

Originalmente postado por Jazzdog:

what are you talking about? its a poncho? if it was a poncho i wouldnt have started the threat. its a froggin cape! you say usmc issues such things - than show me proof! cause i think thats complete bollocks. the only cape a marine would wear i could find was a friggin cape for official and social events in addition to " evening dress and blue dress “A”/”B” uniforms".

show me! and everyone else who is convinced that in modern warfare troops are wearing capes - show me proof!

(a "ghillie cape" is something different and serves a reasonable purpose but the thing we are seeing is NOT a "ghillie cape")

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poncho_liner
We used MarPat tarpaulin ponchos and poncho liners. I was issued them myself (CLB-6, 2nd TSB 2013-2017), so I don't know why we're arguing about it. Again, they were so much more effective at keeping the water and the rain out than the Gortex lined overpants and jackets, but a lot of us used it for makeshift shelters or to cover equipment. If you wanted a hood, you either bought one made like that yourself or you cut it with your knife (frowned on because destruction of government property). If you read the page, it also serves as additional protection from chemical threats, which I myself didn't know. Neat.

Depending on how you fold, paracord and overall just wear it, it could look like a cape or mantle. Call of Duty has been a prime example AND an egregious abuser of this with their operator skins for the last 4 games they've released but the brands and materials used are still relatively on point. (For the military skins, NOT the anime UwU, black and gold, jigsaw and joker type BS they peddle in their store.)

[Jazzdog]

Originalmente postado por Fannidan13:

Originalmente postado por Jazzdog:

what are you talking about? its a poncho? if it was a poncho i wouldnt have started the threat. its a froggin cape! you say usmc issues such things - than show me proof! cause i think thats complete bollocks. the only cape a marine would wear i could find was a friggin cape for official and social events in addition to " evening dress and blue dress “A”/”B” uniforms".

show me! and everyone else who is convinced that in modern warfare troops are wearing capes - show me proof!

(a "ghillie cape" is something different and serves a reasonable purpose but the thing we are seeing is NOT a "ghillie cape")

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poncho_liner
We used MarPat tarpaulin ponchos and poncho liners. I was issued them myself (CLB-6, 2nd TSB 2013-2017), so I don't know why we're arguing about it. Again, they were so much more effective at keeping the water and the rain out than the Gortex lined overpants and jackets, but a lot of us used it for makeshift shelters or to cover equipment. If you wanted a hood, you either bought one made like that yourself or you cut it with your knife (frowned on because destruction of government property). If you read the page, it also serves as additional protection from chemical threats, which I myself didn't know. Neat.

Depending on how you fold, paracord and overall just wear it, it could look like a cape or mantle. Call of Duty has been a prime example AND an egregious abuser of this with their operator skins for the last 4 games they've released but the brands and materials used are still relatively on point. (For the military skins, NOT the anime UwU, black and gold, jigsaw and joker type BS they peddle in their store.)

I have the feeling you misunderstand me by will. Allright, so there were ponchos that got introduced as a raincover and substitute for " standard-issue Army Wool Blanket". great. Now please show me evidence of how a soldier is actually wearing that freakin thing in a firefight!

[Stourme]

Originalmente postado por Eightball:

Babies first game. Never seen a ghillie suit before.

Clearly you've never seen one either. That's not a ghillie suit, it's a cape with a hood.

[Fannidan13]

Originalmente postado por Jazzdog:

I have the feeling you misunderstand me by will. Allright, so there were ponchos that got introduced as a raincover and substitute for " standard-issue Army Wool Blanket". great. Now please show me evidence of how a soldier is actually wearing that freakin thing in a firefight!

That, I can't help you with. Nobody is taking pictures in the middle of a firefight. Combat Camera does a lot of neat photo ops during training and CONTROLLED environments. You might find some pictures of Romanian or Ukrainian troops, but Americans have been in temperate deserts for the last two decades. Just because it is current issue gear doesn't mean it will be used in the current theater of war. But, then again, the initial invasion into Iraq was done with woodland MOPP gear. Smh.

[Fannidan13]

Originalmente postado por Jazzdog:

are you kidding me? when germany blitzed Poland with their tanks poland send cavallery regiments to fight them so after your logic cavallery is still used in modern warfare?

You know the Mujahadeen did the same thing in Afghanistan in the 80's and WON...
And Task Force Dagger post 9/11...
So, yes, in certain countries and in certain environments, horse mounted infantry are still used today.

[Jazzdog]

Originalmente postado por Fannidan13:

Originalmente postado por Jazzdog:

are you kidding me? when germany blitzed Poland with their tanks poland send cavallery regiments to fight them so after your logic cavallery is still used in modern warfare?

You know the Mujahadeen did the same thing in Afghanistan in the 80's and WON...
And Task Force Dagger post 9/11...
So, yes, in certain countries and in certain environments, horse mounted infantry are still used today.

Again you do the same thing. i dont question the functionality of horses as mean of transport in difficult terrain where vehicles might struggle but the fact that horses had been used in guerilla warfare doesnt make those troops cavalery. but this is only leading astray...

all i said, see op, was: a cape is the most idiotic thing to wear in a COMBAT SITUATION. i dont doubt that it can serve a purpose of raincover, blanket, etc but i doubt that any soldier preparing for an engagement would say: hold on i have to put on my cape! And this is what we have here in that game.

[Fannidan13]

Originalmente postado por Jazzdog:

all i said, see op, was: a cape is the most idiotic thing to wear in a COMBAT SITUATION. i dont doubt that it can serve a purpose of raincover, blanket, etc but i doubt that any soldier preparing for an engagement would say: hold on i have to put on my cape! And this is what we have here in that game.

I understand your point; it could be better designed with clips or straps to the thighs instead of billowing everywhere where it can get snagged on the nearest rubble or grabbed by an adversary (though I imagine their equipment and doctrines were built around human conflict and not the xenomorph). I do agree with that sentiment, you should tie down your battle rattle. I have to point out though, that nobody is putting on a cape/poncho/tarp/whatever (semantics) because they are preparing for an engagement, they are doing it (in this universe) because it rains 90% of the time on in-process terraformed worlds, as I believe I stated in a much earlier post.

If you are instead arguing about the leveling system and how a Marine just wardrobe swaps, I don't even want to get into the semantics of arguing a game mechanic. I've presented you with all reasons and headcanons to explain it's existance, save one: from a Recon's role, I'd expect them to be outside with longer sightlines (and the rain) seeing as how they pack the sniper rifle around. I know that doesn't fit when whole portions of the game are indoors or underground. All I can say is the class designs are all a game mechanic and unfortunately, they aren't fleshed enough to mix and match in a way that sensibly works for all playstyles. Otherwise, you could just take it off, yes?

[Jazzdog]

Originalmente postado por Fannidan13:

Originalmente postado por Jazzdog:

all i said, see op, was: a cape is the most idiotic thing to wear in a COMBAT SITUATION. i dont doubt that it can serve a purpose of raincover, blanket, etc but i doubt that any soldier preparing for an engagement would say: hold on i have to put on my cape! And this is what we have here in that game.

I understand your point; it could be better designed with clips or straps to the thighs instead of billowing everywhere where it can get snagged on the nearest rubble or grabbed by an adversary (though I imagine their equipment and doctrines were built around human conflict and not the xenomorph). I do agree with that sentiment, you should tie down your battle rattle. I have to point out though, that nobody is putting on a cape/poncho/tarp/whatever (semantics) because they are preparing for an engagement, they are doing it (in this universe) because it rains 90% of the time on in-process terraformed worlds, as I believe I stated in a much earlier post.

If you are instead arguing about the leveling system and how a Marine just wardrobe swaps, I don't even want to get into the semantics of arguing a game mechanic. I've presented you with all reasons and headcanons to explain it's existance, save one: from a Recon's role, I'd expect them to be outside with longer sightlines (and the rain) seeing as how they pack the sniper rifle around. I know that doesn't fit when whole portions of the game are indoors or underground. All I can say is the class designs are all a game mechanic and unfortunately, they aren't fleshed enough to mix and match in a way that sensibly works for all playstyles. Otherwise, you could just take it off, yes?

well... im not far into the game but until now situation was like that: ready your team, infiltrate base, gather information and extract. Everything within maybe 90 mins. it didnt involve a camping trip throughout the countryside or waiting in your foxhole for days that the enemy shows up. they know theyll encounter hostile immediately. But hey! its raining: dont forget your cape!

since you always refer to reallife examples let me give you one that might be comparable: the killing of Osama bin Laden. They get the information where hes at, they have a narrow time window before Pakistan gets aware they there. They decide to act fast and aggresive. They fly in, things go horribly wrong but still they manage to accomplish their task and use the remaining chopper to get out. Lets imagine it was raining heavily. What would your seals team mates think of you when you showed up wearing a cape? what do you think?

[Fannidan13]

The Seals are considered quiet professionals and are allowed a lot of leeway in picking their own equipment. Between themselves, they wouldn't really give a damn what you bring as long as you don't become dead weight for doing so. I saw a Seal on deployment who took a cast iron skillet with him everywhere. The Colonial Marines have so much leeway, they can draw ♥♥♥♥♥ on thier helmets and draw on their armor if they want to...

In all operations you plan around weather and around risk mitigation for when things can go wrong (Murphy's Law) and you could end up in a spot a lot longer than intended. We can talk of what ifs until we're blue in the face though. Like I said, the gameplay doesn't really fit for the lore specific reasons they'd have a shroud on deployment.