tower mission

[scoazectiti29]

Good evening, this is the second time I've done a tower mission, the first time everything went well but today, doing exactly the same thing, no way to install the top floor, I put the floor down and it collapses, I try with posts across, they collapse too, I try to stack 3 small crates but no way to place the probe on them..... I don't understand, thanks if anyone has an answer.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2434851666339481547/9323AEC054E4CA9FFF894C9B7C477A962EE666E0/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[Powerferret]

2 options: build a tower of only vertical wood pillars, it should allow you to build high enough, and put the beacon on top.
Or, if you want a real tower with walls, and floors and stairs, build it out of stone with a stone foundation at the bottom.

[scoazectiti29]

Originally posted by Powerferret:

2 options: build a tower of only vertical wood pillars, it should allow you to build high enough, and put the beacon on top.
Or, if you want a real tower with walls, and floors and stairs, build it out of stone with a stone foundation at the bottom.

I did the same thing as the first one which worked, so it's not a form issue

[Powerferret]

Well..... wood only has structural integrity up to a certain height, so unless the tower mission was in the exact same spot as the first, there must be an altitude difference. Pillars are not affected as much as ceilings.

[scoazectiti29]

Originally posted by Powerferret:

Well..... wood only has structural integrity up to a certain height, so unless the tower mission was in the exact same spot as the first, there must be an altitude difference. Pillars are not affected as much as ceilings.

I tried to put pillars across instead of the ceiling but they were affected too. I don't remember the previous height, the number of levels, too bad but you are probably right it is maybe here a little higher I think I will have to try in stone, at least the start, thank you and good evening

[Rekal]

I can't see the bottom to see how your first pillar is placed, but you can use the page up and page down buttons for the initial placement to get the maximum height from the first pillar. IE The least amount stuck inside the ground. Structural integrity limits how high you can build the pieces so squeezing a little extra height from the first piece should get you up there. I've never had one that couldn't be completed in wood.

The other option that may work is to use some diagonal cross beams between your pillars. That would pass some structural integrity between each pillar enough that it might give you another level of height. Hold R to get different beam orientations.

Location of the initial pillar can matter too. If you look up at the placement zone ball the lowest point appears between all of your pillars. (Could just be the camera angle of course) If you had placed a pillar directly below that lowest point you could perch the beacon directly on top of it without needing the floor piece that is crumbling because of lack of structural integrity at that height.

And of course building completely out of stone will definitely work but even just one or two stone pillars in the ground with wood on top should work as well. Apparently interior wood pillars would give you an extra level as well according to this chart:

https://icarus.fandom.com/wiki/Structural_Integrity

[scoazectiti29]

Originally posted by Rekal:

I can't see the bottom to see how your first pillar is placed, but you can use the page up and page down buttons for the initial placement to get the maximum height from the first pillar. IE The least amount stuck inside the ground. Structural integrity limits how high you can build the pieces so squeezing a little extra height from the first piece should get you up there. I've never had one that couldn't be completed in wood.

The other option that may work is to use some diagonal cross beams between your pillars. That would pass some structural integrity between each pillar enough that it might give you another level of height. Hold R to get different beam orientations.

Location of the initial pillar can matter too. If you look up at the placement zone ball the lowest point appears between all of your pillars. (Could just be the camera angle of course) If you had placed a pillar directly below that lowest point you could perch the beacon directly on top of it without needing the floor piece that is crumbling because of lack of structural integrity at that height.

And of course building completely out of stone will definitely work but even just one or two stone pillars in the ground with wood on top should work as well. Apparently interior wood pillars would give you an extra level as well according to this chart:

https://icarus.fandom.com/wiki/Structural_Integrity

what i can say is that my starting pillars were about 80% in the ground.
watch this video, i'm going to try this because it's even easier. what happens to his last ground that collapses is exactly what happened to mine. How come one of his floors holds up without any problem, even with weight on it, while the other one collapses?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShO8VsT-sYo

[Rekal]

Originally posted by scoazectiti29:

what i can say is that my starting pillars were about 80% in the ground.
watch this video, i'm going to try this because it's even easier. what happens to his last ground that collapses is exactly what happened to mine. How come one of his floors holds up without any problem, even with weight on it, while the other one collapses?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShO8VsT-sYo

If you watch the initial pillar placement (43s mark), the first beam on the left (further from player when he's up the ladder) is placed about 95% above the ground while the first beam on the right is actually 95% under ground. So when he's up the ladder, the closer pillar is actually one pillar taller. You can hear it groan when he puts in the last part of the pillar. That means the pillars at the top are asymmetrical with the further having more "support" left over.

Why that translates to the two floor pieces having asymmetrical support even though they are both touching both beams and each other I don't know. The first floor piece placed down was directed off of the far beam while the second floor piece was directed off the first floor piece. It could be the primary support they latch onto is different based on orientation and counts more than the secondary supports it touches. Maybe there's an order of operation based on the location grid? IE It always checks from west to east, north to south, or maybe clockwise.

Technically the first floor piece was placed with two beams supporting it, but the second floor piece had two beams AND the first floor piece on its initial placement. Pressumable the second floor piece should have added its support back to the first but it doesn't seem to have been the case.

Once the weight was added the second floor started having issues as well losing some of its structural integrity value, and immediately the first floor lost that value too -- even though presumably it never received it in the first place -- and crumbled.

The cross beams he placed didn't help. They were from the "higher" close beam so they were already at their limit. He needed to bridge the gap between the two beams so they could share support not to the end of the floor piece.

I have a feeling the far beams that were only 6 high would have been enough by itself. Adding the second closer beams that were at 7 high is what actually caused the game to get confused and crumble that floor. It is a video from over a year ago and over 78 updates so who can tell?

I might go try it out.

[scoazectiti29]

So 2 beams were enough, with reinforcements
and I fell a little from the tower on the way down :-)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3358771454

[Rekal]

Originally posted by scoazectiti29:

So 2 beams were enough, with reinforcements
and I fell a little from the tower on the way down :-)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3358771454

Good to see it. Here's my little experiment to recreate that video.

Initial placement was same as the video, one popping almost all the way out and the other almost completely submerged: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3358769883 Built all the way up. Orientation is the same as the video - closer beam is 7 high, far beam is only 6. Placed the floors in the same order and both were groaning and cracking like shown. I didn't have a tower beacon but placing a regular beacon didn't cause any issue. I'm not dumb enough to jump around at that height so I didn't walk on it at the same time though. The shadow was convenient enough to show that I do have a second beam attached to the back. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3358770887 Like I suspected, I could remove the closer beam that was 7 high and not imparting any stability and the floors held in place just fine. When I tried to remove the far beam and placed the floors on the closer beam they would crumble and fall. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3358772744 I can only say about the results that the video is several updates out of date.

[Kyle9185]

I'm working on my first tower, I have a 2x2 wood tower like yours but with walls on the outside and ramps inside for stairs. It's six stories tall. s i x. Needs to be seven for the mission but it breaks immediatly. this is kinda bs

[Abatu]

Originally posted by Kyle9185:

I'm working on my first tower, I have a 2x2 wood tower like yours but with walls on the outside and ramps inside for stairs. It's six stories tall. s i x. Needs to be seven for the mission but it breaks immediatly. this is kinda bs

use pillars. even a 1x1 is fine for this (using ladders and the hatch, a bigger tower requires more resources but is atleast easier to get back)
you start with a floor (ideally a stone foundation, but just a wood floor is fine if it's not like an artic watchtower)

then use pillars to reinforce. for taller structures you need both vertical and horizontal pillars, always double check the color of a piece before you place it so it doesn't collapse, if it isn't green, add more pillars.

you can also cheese it by doing things like what rekal did by using just a bunch of pillars, ladders and a floor

either way, regardless of how you choose to build them pillars are an integral part of taller structures

[Divine Hero]

lol
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3411413958