This needs to be fixed, please.

[N7_Shadow]

I'm playing with 3 other friends. We are searching for and placing drills on Deep Ore Deposits. I do love the fact that you have to look for the nodes. I also love the hand held Scanner that helps you find them. What I don't love, and find completely stupid is that we place several drills down, but no way to go directly to them.

I've played many games like this, were there are automatic drills to mine resources, such as Empyrion. It's simple basic functionality to be able to mark them on the map so everyone can see them, without doing another search for them. Literally, just by placing it down, it should be viewable on the map. We are literally using an electronic device to point to the nearest Deposit.

For anyone who brings up any nonsense justifying not having map markers, note that we simply backdoor your silliness by use of screen shots on discord, showing where they are on the map. But seriously, they should be on the map for all to see, and telling what is being mined.

Somebody mentioned the beacons players can place down. What kind of bozo would place a beacon by their node, when it attracts waves of enemies, requiring you to now put up 3 or 4 auto turrets. Just NO! Screenshots on Discord cost nothing, and don't cause risk to the materials spent.

I love that the game is not hand-holdy, but simple markers on the map showing where the drill are, is NOT hand-holdy. It's common sense. Seriously, would you, IRL, go out and place drills down, without marking the map? Then tell your guys to go search for them when they need resources? No, you wouldn't. Not if you have any common sense.

/rant

[N7_Shadow]

While I'm on what needs fixed, here is an actual bug.

OK, a few issues with taming a wolf. First, the wolf should NOT disappear just because you go hunting to feed it. Second, I finally get another wolf in the snare, and then drop a dead wild hog beside it. The wolf just lays down and doesn't eat. So now a Terrenus runs up to the Wolf and Hog Carcass. So I take careful aim with the bow, right at the Terranus' head, fire, and now I have a dead wolf in the snare. The wolf was not even close to where I was aiming. This happened on 4 different wolves.

This is a bug. While hunting, I was at the edge of a river, shooting at animal just on the other side. But just below me, in the river, against the rock wall I was on, were 4 Buffalo, two adults and two babies. They were about ten feet below me. I had to look almost straight down to see them. Well, the result after taking careful aim at the birds? 2 dead Buffalo. Seriously? There is some kind of bug that is making you hit what's closest to you, not what you are actually aiming at.

Overall, the game is a lot of fun, but these two things have me frustrated. Gamers want to be challenged, not frustrated.

[Spaceminnow]

I have learned to "excel" at cartography :)
I believe I have also mastered land marking with wooden directional posts :)
After finding the nodes, I mark them on "my map" and then...

Devise a wooden beam post trail with directions... :)

I use "my map" briefly to set the "compass" then just run in that direction :)
With the wooden beam land marks, I rarely use the map to get to where I want my prospector to go...

When close enough, my prospector can see the land markings and it's an...
"Oh yeah...I know where I am...I know where to go..." :)

Here is an example of a wooden beam post land mark my prospector put down to see the "wheat field" from a long distance away in my "outpost" session :)


https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3281166517

Just to add:

If you are REALLY hung up on wanting digital markings on the Icarus map...
There are SIMPL3 missions that allow you to keep the beacons...
They are solar beacons that show up on the map and they are configurable :)

So you see...
We have everything we need...
Your prospector must work for map marking features.

[Spaceminnow]

Originally posted by N7_Shadow:

While I'm on what needs fixed, here is an actual bug.

OK, a few issues with taming a wolf. First, the wolf should NOT disappear just because you go hunting to feed it. Second, I finally get another wolf in the snare, and then drop a dead wild hog beside it. The wolf just lays down and doesn't eat. So now a Terrenus runs up to the Wolf and Hog Carcass. So I take careful aim with the bow, right at the Terranus' head, fire, and now I have a dead wolf in the snare. The wolf was not even close to where I was aiming. This happened on 4 different wolves.

This is a bug. While hunting, I was at the edge of a river, shooting at animal just on the other side. But just below me, in the river, against the rock wall I was on, were 4 Buffalo, two adults and two babies. They were about ten feet below me. I had to look almost straight down to see them. Well, the result after taking careful aim at the birds? 2 dead Buffalo. Seriously? There is some kind of bug that is making you hit what's closest to you, not what you are actually aiming at.

Overall, the game is a lot of fun, but these two things have me frustrated. Gamers want to be challenged, not frustrated.

Cartography is challenging...
Btw this post made me laugh a bit :)
Thanks :)

[Rekal]

Beacons don't actually attract waves of animals. Not sure where you picked that up. The only thing animals will agro on are you the prospector, your tames, and exotic extraction drills. Then they'll attack pretty much anything that gets in the way to one of those things. Deep-mining drills and beacons are safe.

Mini-waves are created when using the radar, a smaller horde type event happens with the Thumper, and the full scale horde event is triggered when using the Vapor Condenser. No beacons involved.

Not going to weigh in one way or the other just some tips and work-a-rounds.

You can get free beacons by doing a couple of the SMPL3 Missions. Building a tower gives a very simple beacon (one color, no icon swapping) - just tear the tower down after completion and pickup the dropped beacon or cancel it when you get the beacon. The abandoned base one gives a full beacon (color and icon change) - again just pick it back up after completion or cancel once you get the beacon.

Wooden beams are basically weather proof - never seen one alone struck by lightning but I guess they'd burn. I use them all over the map to setup ramps - free place side by side and mounts and tames can follow you up them - and quick access for myself up or down high cliffs. As was mentioned you can also build markers this way - tall towers you can see from a good distance.

As to your shooting bug, it's a Kill Cam bug so you can get around it by just shutting off the kill cam in the settings. I've experienced the bug before, but the kill cam was annoying enough that I shut it off because of its drawbacks and haven't seen the bug since. I've lost too many carcasses because the kill cam broke my visual continuity and I couldn't find it in the weeds.

Here's a the feature upvote that shows it locking onto and killing another player as well. Pretty dumb bug that's been around forever. Not many people bringing it up probably cause the work around is so simple so the priority is probably nil. Vote it up.

https://icarus.featureupvote.com/suggestions/257722/bug-killcamauto-aim-locked-onto-and-killed-team-mate-resulting-in-invisible-unre

[sED`]

when your doing certain missions, there might be waves of animals associated to that mission when placing a beacon. but even that. i cant recall.

RADARS will attract animals however.

BEACONS. do NOT attract animals. and are cheap to make. only need machine bench.

big hate based on misinformation and/or lack of testing.

[N7_Shadow]

Originally posted by Rekal:

Beacons don't actually attract waves of animals. Not sure where you picked that up. The only thing animals will agro on are you the prospector, your tames, and exotic extraction drills.

Actually, it was the radar I saw that on. I mentioned the beacons, and one of the other guys said it attracts animals, but he was probably thinking about the radar, as he hadn't played for a while. Yes, both radars anger the animals, causing them to attack, according to the tech tree.

That said, the beacons aren't cheap to make. It's ridiculous to have to make an expensive drill, and an expensive beacon. We are placing the drills to get needed resources. I might just put the resource node respawn mod on the server. No need to mess with drills spread all over the map with nobody knowing where they are.

It's basic game function, and common sense. You mark important things on a map. Not much is more important where those drills are, and you need a lot of them. Those beacons should be used for other purposes, not putting one by every single drill.

Kinda silly. And like I said, it's pointless to not just have them on the map. When playing with friends, you have a way outside the game to share info. So this is like trying to force in game coms, that can go out, or is only local area voice. People will just talk on Discord or TS3.

Yes this has me triggered because it's just plain silly. We have the fog of war on the map, but nothing is ever marked? You wouldn't mark important things on a map as you find them?

[Spaceminnow]

You have to remember,
Icarus is simply a survival game...
"Luxury" tech has been placed in the game...however...

How much tech do you really need to complete most of the missions?

[Scooby Doo]

So much for a SURVIVAL game where you must SURVIVE. So far feels like the majority of the SURVIVAL in the game has been nerfed so bad may as well remove those parts of the game. Now we want map markers too because people need their hand held again.
So to the OP I ask if you want to play a game where everything is handed to you and where as you said your opinion is all that matters why did you buy one of the hardest survival games out there? Do you really think a game needs to bend to your will?
Here is a thought go find a mod that will give you what you want. I know you will not do this just get noisy about what you want and the devs will bend over.

The end of the day I am so so tired of the game I spent over $20 on going from a survival game with challenge to another empty game with so little challenge my 10yro son could play it, in fact he has played it.
Just my 2 cents for the devs, STOPPED destroying the game I bought from you. This game was not Early Access when I bought it and so it should NOT have changed into something I no longer recognize. Lawyer told me to wait until you finish updating the game so that we know exactly how much of the game I bought is gone. Then i will file a lawsuit for a complete refund and fraud. In my country that will amount to about a $5 Million payday as we take fraud seriously.

Report the post I do not care I am so tired of games today being destroyed by the people use to Call of Duty where they Pay To Win the game. That is not this, just tired of it.

[Rekal]

Originally posted by Scooby:

Just my 2 cents for the devs, STOPPED destroying the game I bought from you. This game was not Early Access when I bought it and so it should NOT have changed into something I no longer recognize. Lawyer told me to wait until you finish updating the game so that we know exactly how much of the game I bought is gone. Then i will file a lawsuit for a complete refund and fraud. In my country that will amount to about a $5 Million payday as we take fraud seriously.

You might want to come back to reality and examine your country's Tort Laws for a few minutes. If they're as strict on fraud as you say they're probably pretty strict on frivolous litigation (a different form of fraud) as well. After you put such a frivolous lawsuit forward and lose - which you will - you'll be on the hook for yours, theirs, and the court's fees. Good luck.

[N7_Shadow]

Originally posted by Spaceminnow:

You have to remember,
Icarus is simply a survival game...
"Luxury" tech has been placed in the game...however...

How much tech do you really need to complete most of the missions?

sED said the beacons are cheap. Well, I think the thing is, we have been hitting it hard. So, we are always out of resources, even though we've cleaned out most of the caves in our area. So, we went out placing drills down, and it just seemed wrecked to have to search for them again. The beacons may be cheap as sED said, but not when need like 30 of them, and using those resources slows somebody else down.

Honestly, I don't really enjoy the grind of these games. I enjoy the exploration. However, it's hard to get out and adventure when you are forever doing "chores." I've talked to the guys about some mods, like a stacking mod, so the troughs will stay full. The number of times the animals are completely out of water and food is unreal. And, we have piped in water. The food is ridiculous. We've noticed that animals get stuck and can't go eat or drink, which doesn't help. The stacking mod will allow us to build the food up and go out without worrying about whether the tames have food.

I played ARK on both vanilla PvP, and modded PvE servers.

This is from the PvE server. One of the Admins recorded most of the bases he liked. This was right before a reset. Right before the Aberration was released. The last base was a fortified city with a Keep. That is to say, that was the plan. I was mostly done with the city walls, and the port area. But ran out of time. The First base, the red one, was one of my last. I built one more on the final ARK. The second base of mine he shows, the dark castle, was literally my 3rd Ark build. The first on a PvE server. The previous 2 were just PvE bases. It was fun for a little while, but I would have never even attempted those bases on a vanilla server. Too much grind, too little fun.

I literally fed all the animals. Some had to be hand fed because they were down to 20%, and not eating. I come back 10 minutes later, and all the food is gone, ate and decayed, so I pull the decayed stuff out, get more food, and go around checking. They were way down on their food, with nothing to eat, and that's after 10 minutes. Maybe 15. Like WTF.

I think we are definitely going to do a stacking mod.

[N7_Shadow]

Originally posted by Spaceminnow:

Originally posted by N7_Shadow:

While I'm on what needs fixed, here is an actual bug.

OK, a few issues with taming a wolf. First, the wolf should NOT disappear just because you go hunting to feed it. Second, I finally get another wolf in the snare, and then drop a dead wild hog beside it. The wolf just lays down and doesn't eat. So now a Terrenus runs up to the Wolf and Hog Carcass. So I take careful aim with the bow, right at the Terranus' head, fire, and now I have a dead wolf in the snare. The wolf was not even close to where I was aiming. This happened on 4 different wolves.

This is a bug. While hunting, I was at the edge of a river, shooting at animal just on the other side. But just below me, in the river, against the rock wall I was on, were 4 Buffalo, two adults and two babies. They were about ten feet below me. I had to look almost straight down to see them. Well, the result after taking careful aim at the birds? 2 dead Buffalo. Seriously? There is some kind of bug that is making you hit what's closest to you, not what you are actually aiming at.

Overall, the game is a lot of fun, but these two things have me frustrated. Gamers want to be challenged, not frustrated.

Cartography is challenging...
Btw this post made me laugh a bit :)
Thanks :)

We've also noticed a bug with the Buffalo. Mine became gimped. Forever walked like he had a broken leg. So I killed it and started over. Now, one of the other guy's Buffalo is doing the same thing.

Shrugs

[Rekal]

Originally posted by N7_Shadow:

Honestly, I don't really enjoy the grind of these games. I enjoy the exploration. However, it's hard to get out and adventure when you are forever doing "chores." I've talked to the guys about some mods, like a stacking mod, so the troughs will stay full. The number of times the animals are completely out of water and food is unreal. And, we have piped in water. The food is ridiculous. We've noticed that animals get stuck and can't go eat or drink, which doesn't help. The stacking mod will allow us to build the food up and go out without worrying about whether the tames have food.

Not sure how much time you have in Icarus so please don't think I'm talking down or anything by giving details you already know. Just trying to be informative and give ideas.

Food and water are not actually needed for your tames that aren't being used. So if you only feed and water them right before taking them out you'll save a lot of headache.

Also not sure what you're feeding them but soybeans stack high, decay slowly, and harvests in high quantities. Think it's the best feed if you feel you have to keep them fed - save the buffing food for when you're actually using them.

That could free up more of your time for exploring as you do.

TL;DR - Copper/Gold resource grind is optional. Plus you can buy it.

If the grind you're referring to is for copper/gold resources, it really only becomes a huge copper/gold grind when you go from Platinum tools to Titanium and then it practically doubles again to making Composites. So if you don't need that Ti and Composite stuff, you can skip almost all that resource grind.

Here's the numbers I counted a while back and the post with more details if you want to check my count.

• Steel tools (Spear ~81% of Composite) - 0 Copper Ingots 0 Gold Ingots
  
• Platinum tools (Spear ~88% of Composite) - +12 Copper Ingots 0 Gold Ingots
  
• Titanium tools (Spear ~94% of Composite) - +176 Copper Ingots +60 Gold Ingots
  
• Composite gear - +360 Copper Ingots +120 Gold Ingots

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1149460/discussions/0/4409669636810572163/#c4409669636814640654

I threw the spear comparison in there cause it's the only item available for all materials and it's clear example of how little functionality you gain moving beyond steel. The gain for tool yield is even smaller. As a side note the Larkwell Martinez Spear is 106% the composite damage and the Larkwell bow is 125% versus the Composite Bows 100%. Top shelf workshop gear is always comparable to the best crafted stuff.

Those numbers are for the infrastructure required to craft the tools, not the tool and weapon prices themselves. The first set of firearms are all available before Platinum, and the highest tier firearms are available with only 90/176 copper and 30/60 gold on the way to Titanium equipment.

Obviously, if you're going for red exotics you need those composites for the harvester and washer. On the other hand you can straight up buy the ore if you're gathering exotics anyway and it's only a one time cost for the infrastructure.

A pack of one hundred copper ore for 250 and a pack of one hundred gold for 350. With those prices if you were to go extract an exotic deposit for 300 exotics you could sell them for 1500 and using that buy 600 copper ore or what amounts to 428 gold ore. That's almost all of the copper and more than enough of the gold to go from Titanium to Composites.

You might think it's not worth it to spend 300 exotics to get 600 copper but... How many friends are you playing with? If you send up 300 exotics, they all get 300 exotics too. Nothings stopping you all from stockpiling until everyone shows up and blasting it all to space at once. Plus if you already have the wealth you can invest it early to get straight through the grind and recuperate the cost overtime as you play the map out. The game is kind of all about gathering exotics, right?

Exotic extraction might not be any more fun to you than hand mining or baby-sitting deep-mining drills but it is different. Plus it forces you to travel/explore all over the map to do it instead of just finding the nearest cave. Just a thought.

If you haven't delved into exotic prospecting yet, here's what I think is a pretty in depth guide on the topic. Yeah I'm biased ;) You can do it all with biofuel level tech. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3121617137

[Raum]

Originally posted by N7_Shadow:

I'm playing with 3 other friends. We are searching for and placing drills on Deep Ore Deposits. I do love the fact that you have to look for the nodes. I also love the hand held Scanner that helps you find them. What I don't love, and find completely stupid is that we place several drills down, but no way to go directly to them.

I've played many games like this, were there are automatic drills to mine resources, such as Empyrion. It's simple basic functionality to be able to mark them on the map so everyone can see them, without doing another search for them. Literally, just by placing it down, it should be viewable on the map. We are literally using an electronic device to point to the nearest Deposit.

For anyone who brings up any nonsense justifying not having map markers, note that we simply backdoor your silliness by use of screen shots on discord, showing where they are on the map. But seriously, they should be on the map for all to see, and telling what is being mined.

Somebody mentioned the beacons players can place down. What kind of bozo would place a beacon by their node, when it attracts waves of enemies, requiring you to now put up 3 or 4 auto turrets. Just NO! Screenshots on Discord cost nothing, and don't cause risk to the materials spent.

I love that the game is not hand-holdy, but simple markers on the map showing where the drill are, is NOT hand-holdy. It's common sense. Seriously, would you, IRL, go out and place drills down, without marking the map? Then tell your guys to go search for them when they need resources? No, you wouldn't. Not if you have any common sense.

/rant

If you place one of those simply little dummies that doesn't allow animals to respawn in a small area, they place an orange little ring on your map. :)

[SleepWalker]

Originally posted by Scooby:

So much for a SURVIVAL game where you must SURVIVE. So far feels like the majority of the SURVIVAL in the game has been nerfed so bad may as well remove those parts of the game. Now we want map markers too because people need their hand held again.
So to the OP I ask if you want to play a game where everything is handed to you and where as you said your opinion is all that matters why did you buy one of the hardest survival games out there? Do you really think a game needs to bend to your will?
Here is a thought go find a mod that will give you what you want. I know you will not do this just get noisy about what you want and the devs will bend over.

The end of the day I am so so tired of the game I spent over $20 on going from a survival game with challenge to another empty game with so little challenge my 10yro son could play it, in fact he has played it.
Just my 2 cents for the devs, STOPPED destroying the game I bought from you. This game was not Early Access when I bought it and so it should NOT have changed into something I no longer recognize. Lawyer told me to wait until you finish updating the game so that we know exactly how much of the game I bought is gone. Then i will file a lawsuit for a complete refund and fraud. In my country that will amount to about a $5 Million payday as we take fraud seriously.

Report the post I do not care I am so tired of games today being destroyed by the people use to Call of Duty where they Pay To Win the game. That is not this, just tired of it.

Oh stop. Either you're outright lying, or your lawyer is straight up scamming you. Everything they are doing, or have done, is covered by the TOS you agreed to when you started the game.

Also, games don't go full release and then backwards to Early Access. What are you on about?

[LowLight]

Originally posted by SleepWalker:

Originally posted by Scooby:

So much for a SURVIVAL game where you must SURVIVE. So far feels like the majority of the SURVIVAL in the game has been nerfed so bad may as well remove those parts of the game. Now we want map markers too because people need their hand held again.
So to the OP I ask if you want to play a game where everything is handed to you and where as you said your opinion is all that matters why did you buy one of the hardest survival games out there? Do you really think a game needs to bend to your will?
Here is a thought go find a mod that will give you what you want. I know you will not do this just get noisy about what you want and the devs will bend over.

The end of the day I am so so tired of the game I spent over $20 on going from a survival game with challenge to another empty game with so little challenge my 10yro son could play it, in fact he has played it.
Just my 2 cents for the devs, STOPPED destroying the game I bought from you. This game was not Early Access when I bought it and so it should NOT have changed into something I no longer recognize. Lawyer told me to wait until you finish updating the game so that we know exactly how much of the game I bought is gone. Then i will file a lawsuit for a complete refund and fraud. In my country that will amount to about a $5 Million payday as we take fraud seriously.

Report the post I do not care I am so tired of games today being destroyed by the people use to Call of Duty where they Pay To Win the game. That is not this, just tired of it.

Oh stop. Either you're outright lying, or your lawyer is straight up scamming you. Everything they are doing, or have done, is covered by the TOS you agreed to when you started the game.

Also, games don't go full release and then backwards to Early Access. What are you on about?

Piggybacking off you here, Sleepwalker... lol the devs here are literally the only case I can think of, where they update and improve the game WEEKLY, and that is remarkable to say the least! I've gotta say though, you certainly can play the game the way it was when it was released. No mechanic forces you to tame a mount, no mechanic forces you to play open world. If you want the OG experience, it's still there in mission form. Not sure what this "lawsuit" is gonna look like, but I'd love to be in the room when you walk in demanding 5 mil for a game you can still play the way you're whinging about. Does it really make you THAT angry? If this is the worst thing you've got going, consider yourself lucky.