WHY UPDATE?

[KreatorB]

I am so frustrated with ICARUS as it reminds me of ARK Survival! Every week you put out a small update in comparison to the game and every week we are forced to do an 55GB update... I have a fiber and it is not the download but rather how long your update takes and slows my main as it is running my drives, WHY ARE THESE UPDATES ALWAYS The full game? Can't you just patch the area that need it? Anyway, I am at the point like I was with ARK and about to uninstall ICARUS for good.

[kreeg]

The update time is directly proportional to how fast your storage media is. If patch times are long and slow then that is a direct reflection of the piss poor performance of your system and has nothing to do with the game, devs, or steam.

For example; It takes my system under two minutes to download and finish updating. Every time. I.E. It's not the developers fault your PC is slow.

[Spaceminnow]

You may have a belt and squirrel connection with a wooden computer.

I notice the update downloads much less now.
They may have improved something recently...
I also allow Steam to update games "while" playing.

Downloads / allow downloads during game play

[Rekal]

The patches you download are pretty small. The problem is the way that Steam update system interacts with the Unreal Engine and thus the games built using it -- IE Ark and Icarus to name a couple. Steam forces an entire file system check after you download and install the patch. The small patch is applied changing whatever files that were updated and then Steam say "Oh, you changed something? Better check it's all good still!" Which is where you end up with 55 gigs of "update" which is actually just file verification. The faster your hard drive, the faster this verification will go.

It takes ~20 minutes on my rig with a 5 year old SSD. I've never seen this as a problem because if Steam is busy there are a plethora of other things I can give my attention to. If being forced to wait to play really sets you off like that maybe you should reflect a bit on what that means?

[KreatorB]

Originally posted by krieg:

The update time is directly proportional to how fast your storage media is. If patch times are long and slow then that is a direct reflection of the piss poor performance of your system and has nothing to do with the game, devs, or steam.

For example; It takes my system under two minutes to download and finish updating. Every time. I.E. It's not the developers fault your PC is garbage slow.

I completely understand your point, however I have a Intel i9 12900K with a 7200RPM DRIVE DEDICATED to just games. And my OS runs solely on a SSD. The comp is 6 months old and only occurs on a few piss poor games like I mentioned.

[KreatorB]

Originally posted by Spaceminnow:

You may have a belt and squirrel connection with a wooden computer.

I notice the update downloads much less now.
They may have improved something recently...
I also allow Steam to update games "while" playing.

Downloads / allow downloads during game play

thank you, my connection is fibre-optic and my comp is posted in the other response. But I will try the allow game updates while playing as updating 55 plus gigs everytime a update comes out even with fibre does not take 2 mins to download and install. thanks for the suggestion

[gumby]

There are still people that have HDDs in their PC in 2023? wtf

[KreatorB]

Originally posted by Rekal:

The patches you download are pretty small. The problem is the way that Steam update system interacts with the Unreal Engine and thus the games built using it -- IE Ark and Icarus to name a couple. Steam forces an entire file system check after you download and install the patch. The small patch is applied changing whatever files that were updated and then Steam say "Oh, you changed something? Better check it's all good still!" Which is where you end up with 55 gigs of "update" which is actually just file verification. The faster your hard drive, the faster this verification will go.

It takes ~20 minutes on my rig with a 5 year old SSD. I've never seen this as a problem because if Steam is busy there are a plethora of other things I can give my attention to. If being forced to wait to play really sets you off like that maybe you should reflect a bit on what that means?

Thanks, like I said its not the computer just select games and it happens over and over with just them. My question is why does a small patch require the install of the entire program and why does it take so long on certain games. When I get pissed at these things I just stop them and go play another games its not an issue, just a question?

[RickFrick]

A 7200RPM drive is the problem. A HDD is slow for patching. I have 8 minute patch updates with my SSD. You could try marking the game updates as "Always keep this game updated" in your library so that it start downloading immediately when there's an update (if powered on).

[KreatorB]

Originally posted by gumby:

There are still people that have HDDs in their PC in 2023? wtf

Yes, I have never trusted SSD since my first experience with them back in the day. I always have Harddrive running. Next time I will update to 10K RPM... thank you all

[KreatorB]

Originally posted by RickFrick:

A 7200RPM drive is the problem. A HDD is slow for patching. I have 8 minute patch updates with my SSD. You could try marking the game updates as "Always keep this game updated" in your library so that it start downloading immediately when there's an update (if powered on).

thank you like you and the other suggested, making updates run diuring the gameplay might help. will try and thank you!

[Pach]

Originally posted by KreatorB:

Originally posted by Rekal:

The patches you download are pretty small. The problem is the way that Steam update system interacts with the Unreal Engine and thus the games built using it -- IE Ark and Icarus to name a couple. Steam forces an entire file system check after you download and install the patch. The small patch is applied changing whatever files that were updated and then Steam say "Oh, you changed something? Better check it's all good still!" Which is where you end up with 55 gigs of "update" which is actually just file verification. The faster your hard drive, the faster this verification will go.

It takes ~20 minutes on my rig with a 5 year old SSD. I've never seen this as a problem because if Steam is busy there are a plethora of other things I can give my attention to. If being forced to wait to play really sets you off like that maybe you should reflect a bit on what that means?

Thanks, like I said its not the computer just select games and it happens over and over with just them. My question is why does a small patch require the install of the entire program and why does it take so long on certain games. When I get pissed at these things I just stop them and go play another games its not an issue, just a question?

It’s only on “certain games” because those games use the Unreal game engine (a very common one), and the issue is how Steam handles updates from Unreal. There isn’t anything the Devs of those games can do to fix it.

I believe you don’t have the issue if you get the game via non Steam sources

[KreatorB]

It’s only on “certain games” because those games use the Unreal game engine (a very common one), and the issue is how Steam handles updates from Unreal. There isn’t anything the Devs of those games can do to fix it.

I believe you don’t have the issue if you get the game via non Steam sources

Thank you, never knew that about Steam and Unreal. Would be nice if there was a way to get direct updates from the Dev's Site instead of through steam. But I do understand that and thank you fro sharing it!

[kreeg]

Originally posted by KreatorB:

Originally posted by krieg:

The update time is directly proportional to how fast your storage media is. If patch times are long and slow then that is a direct reflection of the piss poor performance of your system and has nothing to do with the game, devs, or steam.

For example; It takes my system under two minutes to download and finish updating. Every time. I.E. It's not the developers fault your PC is garbage slow.

I completely understand your point, however I have a Intel i9 12900K with a 7200RPM DRIVE DEDICATED to just games. And my OS runs solely on a SSD. The comp is 6 months old and only occurs on a few piss poor games like I mentioned.

Why are you installing and playing your games from a hard disk?! That tech is outdated and not nearly as viable for AAA gaming anymore. As you are experiencing. Heck, even the traditional 2.5" SSD's are slow in comparison to modern m.2 NVMe.

Playing from a 7200 RPM HDD is not the flex you may think it is.

[Nicademus]

It was under a min for me yet again i don't think ive had a update take longer than 2 min max ever

[KreatorB]

Originally posted by Nicademus:

It was under a min for me yet again i don't think ive had a update take longer than 2 min max ever

so strange, thanks