Food, Oxygen and Water

[agentxxv]

While I get it you want to make the game real as possible, Water and Food should not be going down so fast, Oxygen I get that you need air and it goes faster, but food and water should be consumed at least more slowly given that you don't eat or drink constantly In real life. I found it difficult to do anything even from the beginning with out worrying about food and dying to wolves right from the get go. There is no instruction on how to build floors, walls roofs , etc for basic shelter either so I guess you are pretty much on your own how to figure it out.

[[C/R] - D4rkFr4g]

Hmm most people eat 2-3 times a day, granted they don't eat 3-4 steaks at each meal. Though it is conceivable active people who are running around constantly are going to need a higher caloric intake.
Later as you progress you can research better suits with water/food slots. Toss a waterskin or canteen in the water and a stack of food in the food slot and then you don't have to worry about it for a long time.

[ZombieHunter]

I don't understand how there is no O2 yet fires can burn. Fire is a triangle. And if a corner of the triangle is missing it doesn't exist. Heat, fuel and O2. Those have to be present or it isn't fire it is some other kind of reaction like fusion in stars, etc.

[ChaosDad]

Originally posted by ZombieHunter:

I don't understand how there is no O2 yet fires can burn. Fire is a triangle. And if a corner of the triangle is missing it doesn't exist. Heat, fuel and O2. Those have to be present or it isn't fire it is some other kind of reaction like fusion in stars, etc.

Air can still be toxic if oxygen is present.

[DWI_Suriil]

I figured out all I need to survive in 2h , after I started the game.
O2 problem is fast to solve , like 10 mins from the start.
Water , well yes , for a long term solution you need 30min , until you get steel.
Food , on the other hand , is not a pb at all on starting bioms.In arctic you may get some troubles , but you dont go directly to arctic right? There are some Farming perks to fix your problems in Arctic biome.

So....Food,water,O2 are not such a trouble. A real trouble are - 1)Storms, since they force you to rush Stone shelter asap 2)Overpopulatoion of Bears and Wolves on farther missions. Its a damn big trouble when 6-10 wolves try to assault you. You may survive, sure , but you will need to regen HP and once you are full , you meet those 6-10 again....a real pain.

[ZombieHunter]

Originally posted by BigHead:

Originally posted by ZombieHunter:

I don't understand how there is no O2 yet fires can burn. Fire is a triangle. And if a corner of the triangle is missing it doesn't exist. Heat, fuel and O2. Those have to be present or it isn't fire it is some other kind of reaction like fusion in stars, etc.

Air can still be toxic if oxygen is present.

Yet the plants and animals are fine? And if O2 is present but in low quantities then forest fires would not happen b/c there isn't enough O2 to support that kind of fire. And if you say it is toxic then why are there rocks all over the planet that contain pure O2? And if there are rocks on the planet containing pure O2 why don't they explode and fuel fires when they occur when the fire reaches them? Honestly this game feels like it has a lore just to have one as an excuse to make a standard earth like survival game. B/c nothing in the game matches the lore. There is no alien life anywhere, no weird plants or animals, etc. It all feels like an excuse to make a basic survival game with missions. Nothing in this game makes any sense. Wolves can tear down wood walls? And apparently animals don't like it when you activate radar for some reason. The game is fine but don't act like there is some kind of lore that explains all this nonsense b/c it doesn't. It is just a basic survival game that added O2 to the mix for no reason at all other than to have one more meter to fill.

[DWI_Suriil]

Originally posted by ZombieHunter:

Originally posted by BigHead:

Air can still be toxic if oxygen is present.

Yet the plants and animals are fine? And if O2 is present but in low quantities then forest fires would not happen b/c there isn't enough O2 to support that kind of fire. And if you say it is toxic then why are there rocks all over the planet that contain pure O2? And if there are rocks on the planet containing pure O2 why don't they explode and fuel fires when they occur when the fire reaches them? Honestly this game feels like it has a lore just to have one as an excuse to make a standard earth like survival game. B/c nothing in the game matches the lore. There is no alien life anywhere, no weird plants or animals, etc. It all feels like an excuse to make a basic survival game with missions. Nothing in this game makes any sense. Wolves can tear down wood walls? And apparently animals don't like it when you activate radar for some reason. The game is fine but don't act like there is some kind of lore that explains all this nonsense b/c it doesn't. It is just a basic survival game that added O2 to the mix for no reason at all other than to have one more meter to fill.

Plants only consume certain elements, like CO2 from air or O2 from soil.
Concerning animals - they are product of terraforming with certain mutations.
While humains are tourists here.

About oxyde rocks - here is a news for you , H2O (simple water) , which can be a source of Oxygene, trough electolysis. And wow , this water does not explode or burn....
Simple fact that one matter does contain Oxygene in it , does not meat it is vulnerable to fire.

There is a lot of miracles in chemitsry , lot of matter transformations. Only question - get enough of energy to provoque those transformations.
I wounder what formula must be on those Oxyde rocks so you can free O2 from them with S

[ZombieHunter]

About oxyde rocks - here is a news for you , H2O (simple water) , which can be a source of Oxygene, trough electolysis. And wow , this water does not explode or burn....

That is completely different. The O2 in water is bound to hydrogen. Separate them and it will. But not in the stable state known as water. The rocks are pure O2. They are not anything else or we would have to extract the O2 from the rocks or smelt them or something. It doesn't make any sense. And if Oxite were that plentiful on the planet with all the free standing water it would put O2 into the air on the planet. And if it was toxic O2 then consuming the rocks would also yield toxic O2.

Sorry Oxygen Not Included and Stationeers make far more sense with respect to how they handle O2 and Oxite than Icarus. Feels like just another reason to put a 3rd meter to fill rather than an actual game lore reason.

[[C/R] - D4rkFr4g]

Originally posted by ZombieHunter:

Originally posted by BigHead:

Air can still be toxic if oxygen is present.

Yet the plants and animals are fine? And if O2 is present but in low quantities then forest fires would not happen b/c there isn't enough O2 to support that kind of fire. And if you say it is toxic then why are there rocks all over the planet that contain pure O2? And if there are rocks on the planet containing pure O2 why don't they explode and fuel fires when they occur when the fire reaches them? Honestly this game feels like it has a lore just to have one as an excuse to make a standard earth like survival game. B/c nothing in the game matches the lore. There is no alien life anywhere, no weird plants or animals, etc.

In the lore the animals were modifed as part of terraforming, one to handle the toxins in the air and probably also to handle a lower oxygen environment. Humans need 19.5% to function normally. Between 10-14% oxygen and humans are pretty much worthless. Hence needing supplemental oxygen. 16% oxygen is needed for fire, so Icarus probably has around that. Not enough for normal human function but enough to burn. No one said the oxite was pure O2 and in fact pure O2 in solid form would need to be (-361.8°F / -218.8°C), Instead it's oxite a mineral which can be processed into oxygen. "Our planet's rocks are about 46% oxygen by weight, much of it in the form of silicon dioxide, which we know most commonly as sand." Source - https://www.rsc.org/periodic-table/element/8/oxygen
Most of our rocks don't burn, they could be processed to remove the oxygen but on Earth it's not an efficient process as there's enough oxygen in the air already.

I take it you haven't walked into a cave yet or played any of the bio missions yet, where they specifically have you locate alien stuff. Not to mention that there are more missions planned out that is supposed to introduce even more alien stuff.

[ChaosDad]

Originally posted by ZombieHunter:

About oxyde rocks - here is a news for you , H2O (simple water) , which can be a source of Oxygene, trough electolysis. And wow , this water does not explode or burn....

That is completely different. The O2 in water is bound to hydrogen. Separate them and it will. But not in the stable state known as water. The rocks are pure O2. They are not anything else or we would have to extract the O2 from the rocks or smelt them or something. It doesn't make any sense. And if Oxite were that plentiful on the planet with all the free standing water it would put O2 into the air on the planet. And if it was toxic O2 then consuming the rocks would also yield toxic O2.

Sorry Oxygen Not Included and Stationeers make far more sense with respect to how they handle O2 and Oxite than Icarus. Feels like just another reason to put a 3rd meter to fill rather than an actual game lore reason.

Just because the atmosphere is toxic doesn't make Oxygen producing items toxic too. The atmosphere is made of many elements. Kind of like Earth, we have a mostly oxygen and nitrogen atmosphere with traces of other gases like argon. Oxygen can be present along with other gases that may make it not breathable.

[River Guy]

Originally posted by Reggie:

I love people trying so hard to justify broken systems in a game, lots of fun!

Okay, but lets be reasonable. You've played survival games before, right? Pretty much EVERY survival game has you needing food more often than real life, because obviously. I mean, I guess I can ignore your comment if youve just never played a survival game lol.

[ZombieHunter]

Given how fast time passes I don't feel the food and water requirements are that ridiculous. Not nearly as bad as The Long Dark where you have to eat like 20 steaks every day just to stay alive.

[agentxxv]

My point was, if they are going to fix anything slow the timers down on Consumption of resources. This gives players actual time to build , huny and gather with out worrying about dying with out food water or oxygen for a longer period of time. The creators could justify the planet went haywire with terra forming, but if you are terra forming a planet you would stock it with deer , elk, and other animals for meat and milk like cows..not aggressive predators like bears and wolves. those would come after the base animals are present and for population control. So Deer and Elk don't explode and dominate the food chain.

[ZombieHunter]

When I think of a failed terra form I think of Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock. There was enough O2 on that planet but it was destroying itself. I would like to see some instabilities in the planet in areas to show the failed terra form. A failed terra form would cause more than just low quantities of O2. Some of the storms are evidence of it b/c they are more severe more often than on Earth.

But I don't have issues with the O2, food and water depletion rates. They feel very manageable. Also there are talents to make them even slower.

[GeekFurious]

This is something you see in almost all survival games. Since the game time is accelerated, calorie burning, dehydration, and in this game oxygen use, is accelerated. I think a real-time clock option could help with this. Sure, it would make the nights REALLY long but the bed helps with that if you're solo.

[Enforcer]

Originally posted by ZombieHunter:

I don't understand how there is no O2 yet fires can burn. Fire is a triangle. And if a corner of the triangle is missing it doesn't exist. Heat, fuel and O2. Those have to be present or it isn't fire it is some other kind of reaction like fusion in stars, etc.

Too much oxygen can actually be toxic you know....
Also because we as humans lack oxygen doesn't mean other organisms can't survive.
You also couldn't survive in an oxygen rich environment if there is enough of other stuff that kills you when you inhale it.