Cheating witches

[Too Metal]

Tired of being paired up with witch and oracle players who are obviously using auto scripts for their spells, the speed at which every cast is done with zero error. It makes multiplayer really unfun.

[Citan]

whoa whoa whoa. no need for fighting. if people want to use macro to cast witch/oracle spells so their extensor muscles doesn't get torn apart trying to grind level to 100, it's their choice. macro just to cast spells doesn't go beyond the game system/mechanics so it should be fine; nobody is losing for this, it's a co-op game. I believe that this current spell system of having to press so many buttons is a terrible design in the long run; 6 buttons for an attack (rb, Button x4, X), 10 buttons to upgrade an attack, 8 inputs to change the properties, etc... it's just too many button presses. they could've went with simpler shorter inputs like Fighting games does: example pressing RB to enter cast mode then qcf(quarter circle forward) + X for level 1 spell, qcf+X+Y for lvl 2 spell, qcf+x+y+R2 for a level 3 spell.

edit: or if simultaneous button press makes it too easy to get to level 3, then just having to input rb, qcf+x multiple times to start level 1, then inputting it again to reach level 2, and again for level 3, would keep the idea but lesser strain on the person's arm if he wanted to play witch/oracle for long periods of time. as it stands, my oracle grind has to stop because my extensor arm started to have pain from prolonged grinding lvl 110 bosses solo as i don't use macro to cast spells and having to refresh at least 1 buff every 20 sec in one 25min duration mission is so much button presses for 1 buff.

[Lesmir]

Originally posted by Too Metal:

Originally posted by 🖤~Nessy~🖤:

Oh the OP of this post is the guy who kept spamming my macro guide and saying he was gonna report me for it, and also to report me for deleting his comments and for "swearing." Honestly if a witch using a macro is putting a wrench in your gameplay, that says more about how you're playing than anything.

You are one of the main reasons that people are using macros in the first instance because of your puerile and inane "guides". Its funny you showed up trying to ridicule me, yes i did report you, and your guide but mostly you because of how toxic you were in your comments and swearing at me. You do know that's against steam policy and i'm entitled to do so. Its no secret you deleted your snarky remarks from your guide comments afterwards.

You obviously do not have high enough a character to see how stupidly Op a witch with wind or lightning contract can be. aside from the boss easily one shotting any mob with a lvl 3 wind condense, or destroying groups with lvl 3 lightning homing spell. its not so much putting a wrench in the gameplay its more like with how fast macros cast every spell is a lvl 3 variation of these and it ends up with a completely empty level ,sans the boss. maybe i could drag you through some higher tier content with my lvl 100 witch so you can see how op she is with legit casting never mind the computer doing 90% of the game for you.

you are a funny dude... ofcourse a lv 3 spell with 1 shot a normal mob... any character i played so far at some point ( like lv 30-40 and above ) 1 shot all the normal mob in a run , dont need to use a lv 3 spell for that. and any witch with a element contract can cast a lv 3 spell in 2 casting...

even with a macro to make perfect fastest possible cast , all the other character ( beside the oracle ) will clear stage faster than a witch , so really unless you are underleveled/ not well equipped you always should be able to clear stage faster than witch , otherwise im sorry to say but you are really bad lol

[Too Metal]

Originally posted by Lesmir:

Originally posted by Too Metal:

You are one of the main reasons that people are using macros in the first instance because of your puerile and inane "guides". Its funny you showed up trying to ridicule me, yes i did report you, and your guide but mostly you because of how toxic you were in your comments and swearing at me. You do know that's against steam policy and i'm entitled to do so. Its no secret you deleted your snarky remarks from your guide comments afterwards.

You obviously do not have high enough a character to see how stupidly Op a witch with wind or lightning contract can be. aside from the boss easily one shotting any mob with a lvl 3 wind condense, or destroying groups with lvl 3 lightning homing spell. its not so much putting a wrench in the gameplay its more like with how fast macros cast every spell is a lvl 3 variation of these and it ends up with a completely empty level ,sans the boss. maybe i could drag you through some higher tier content with my lvl 100 witch so you can see how op she is with legit casting never mind the computer doing 90% of the game for you.

you are a funny dude... ofcourse a lv 3 spell with 1 shot a normal mob... any character i played so far at some point ( like lv 30-40 and above ) 1 shot all the normal mob in a run , dont need to use a lv 3 spell for that. and any witch with a element contract can cast a lv 3 spell in 2 casting...

even with a macro to make perfect fastest possible cast , all the other character ( beside the oracle ) will clear stage faster than a witch , so really unless you are underleveled/ not well equipped you always should be able to clear stage faster than witch , otherwise im sorry to say but you are really bad lol

Youre not taking into account a witch can equip 2 class only items that give her a combined 40% movement speed and 20% jump height and you can cast while moving if you use the inertia of a dash jump and cast mid air the only time you need to stop is to make an incantation. its nothing to do with whether a player is bad i have a lvl 100 witch and a lvl 70 ninja so its not as if im underlevelled it was only when i was levelling up ninja that i came across all the macro using witches and they were +-10 levels of myself because of my host settings my witch can and always has cleared faster than my ninja disregarding she is now maxed out, im talking about when levelling her. Gear does make all the difference because my ninja is starting to catch up as well. but i reiterate "mad cos bad" does not apply here.

[RobDeLaMorte]

The secret is to micro your macro.

[arks]

Originally posted by Too Metal:

Originally posted by 🖤~Nessy~🖤:

Oh the OP of this post is the guy who kept spamming my macro guide and saying he was gonna report me for it, and also to report me for deleting his comments and for "swearing." Honestly if a witch using a macro is putting a wrench in your gameplay, that says more about how you're playing than anything.

You are one of the main reasons that people are using macros in the first instance because of your puerile and inane "guides". Its funny you showed up trying to ridicule me, yes i did report you, and your guide but mostly you because of how toxic you were in your comments and swearing at me. You do know that's against steam policy and i'm entitled to do so. Its no secret you deleted your snarky remarks from your guide comments afterwards.

You obviously do not have high enough a character to see how stupidly Op a witch with wind or lightning contract can be. aside from the boss easily one shotting any mob with a lvl 3 wind condense, or destroying groups with lvl 3 lightning homing spell. its not so much putting a wrench in the gameplay its more like with how fast macros cast every spell is a lvl 3 variation of these and it ends up with a completely empty level ,sans the boss. maybe i could drag you through some higher tier content with my lvl 100 witch so you can see how op she is with legit casting never mind the computer doing 90% of the game for you.

are you serious?

any mods who can close this topic, please?

[VDV|JakeTheDog]

speaking of 300h + switch experience (witch and tank)
i'm using an arcade stick with an adapter (so it can be used on switch) with the default layout and was able to cast AoE-Heal within one and a half second without mistakes, mostly all spells and area abbreviations there are, seen other jp-players doing it in a similar fashion as well.

It can be done on controller quite easily with a two-hand technique, but it's rather exhausting for longer sessions, so I switched to my stick.

Wouldn't say it's auto-scripted by default, the further you'll get into the endgame-grind (trust me, there's a lot..), the more common it will be to have a witch being an important and safe asset to your squad.

[psilocybe]

Originally posted by RobDeLaMorte:

The secret is to micro your macro. :428_Tama:

In big picture mode (for STEAM), there is a built in system to modify your controller's inputs... you can even make macros with it.


I wonder why they argue about auto-script..

This game supports steam controller support, it supports macros by default.

[Citan]

I can see the arcade stick working. I don't have access to an arcade stick because they are expensive, and heavy; so I went with the next best thing that's available to me: controller to move my character and sprint button, and using keyboard for x, y, a, b, rb buttons

[Algester]

Originally posted by Citan:

I can see the arcade stick working. I don't have access to an arcade stick because they are expensive, and heavy; so I went with the next best thing that's available to me: controller to move my character and sprint button, and using keyboard for x, y, a, b, rb buttons

8 bitdo arcade sticks arent that expensive... making a homemade one isnt that "hard" either procusing good parts on the other hand (Sanwa) parts will be a problem

[VDV|JakeTheDog]

while a controller might have an entry point of approx. 60-70 €/$, you can get an mayflash or venom stick quite cheap, even so if it's second hand.

Getting Sanwa or Seimitsu parts is fairly easy all over the globe and replacing them is easy as well, getting a good joystick-unit and sanwa rgs will work like a charm and it will hold up for many, many years to come and is also great fun for arcade emulation, shmups, bemus (Streets of Rage IV f.e.), so I can strongly recommend getting a cheap one, you won't regret

[Pink]

This is what happens when console players meet PC KBM master race.
Welcome to PC gaming. In some games if you want comfort with a gamepad - you'll pay for it with your gameplay.
Nobody really needs a macro when typing on a keyboard, it was MADE for typing, combined with muscle memory for flawless and fast executions.

Heck, I can just rebind my keys to cast any spells by rolling the finger on the keyboard, so you'd consider rebinding as cheating as well?

[Citan]

i'm dual wielding peripheral to play this game: Controller + Keyboard. PC Master race indeed. (no console can do this. -- edit: i take this back, I forgot the Switch has a dual-wield peripheral)

[RobDeLaMorte]

Originally posted by Citan:

i'm dual wielding peripherals to play this game: Controller + Keyboard. PC Master race indeed. no console can do this.

Eh? Didn't Xbox have a controller that had a keyboard you could add into it though? :x

Edit: Too late to take it back! You've been exposed!

[Too Metal]

Originally posted by horheristo:

This is what happens when console players meet PC KBM master race.
Welcome to PC gaming. In some games if you want comfort with a gamepad - you'll pay for it with your gameplay.
Nobody really needs a macro when typing on a keyboard, it was MADE for typing, combined with muscle memory for flawless and fast executions.

Heck, I can just rebind my keys to cast any spells by rolling the finger on the keyboard, so you'd consider rebinding as cheating as well?

Assuming im a console plebian, what is this? The 800 odd games i own on PC and been gaming on all platforms since the late 80s must not mean anything when it comes down to base accusations i guess. the keybindings for this game are trash , the myriad of threads complaining about said keybinds support this. The thing is people are still saying its legit to cast fast enough that every icon that swirls into the enchantment circle is literally touching one another, so close they might as well overlap and this split second casting never messes up for the entire duration of say 20-30 minutes i call b/s. The only advantage pc has over a controller is precision mouse aiming, even the wasd movement is not as precise as analogue directional control and there are games that play better with kb+mouse and also games that work better with a steering wheel, flight stick etc etc etc.

[Pink]

Originally posted by Too Metal:

Originally posted by horheristo:

This is what happens when console players meet PC KBM master race.
Welcome to PC gaming. In some games if you want comfort with a gamepad - you'll pay for it with your gameplay.
Nobody really needs a macro when typing on a keyboard, it was MADE for typing, combined with muscle memory for flawless and fast executions.

Heck, I can just rebind my keys to cast any spells by rolling the finger on the keyboard, so you'd consider rebinding as cheating as well?

Assuming im a console plebian, what is this? The 800 odd games i own on PC and been gaming on all platforms since the late 80s must not mean anything when it comes down to base accusations i guess. the keybindings for this game are trash , the myriad of threads complaining about said keybinds support this. The thing is people are still saying its legit to cast fast enough that every icon that swirls into the enchantment circle is literally touching one another, so close they might as well overlap and this split second casting never messes up for the entire duration of say 20-30 minutes i call b/s. The only advantage pc has over a controller is precision mouse aiming, even the wasd movement is not as precise as analogue directional control and there are games that play better with kb+mouse and also games that work better with a steering wheel, flight stick etc etc etc.

Trolling?
You're saying one thumb is faster or as fast at punching buttons than 3 fingers that are already on standby?