why does everyone hate brutal doom?

[oChalko]

sure it changes the formula but not really by much
imo it should inspire people to mod
never seen a mod quite like brutal doom while keeping it somewhat original and still fresh with new addons
modding can go really far and yes i know it can only happen if we get tools and source but
mods like this are cool and unique

[rusty_dragon]

Rawr님이 먼저 게시:

Allard님이 먼저 게시:

At its core, the DOOM experience is simple and elegant in just about everything, from gameplay to graphics to music. This is what kept it timeless. It's like a cup of tea.

Brutal DOOM then, is a two-litre bottle of ice tea that has brandy, motor oil, cough syrup, cat piss and camel vomit added into the mix. It's an edgelord feature creep that bears only the slightest resemblance to the actual experience in any of its aspects, be it graphics or gameplay. Just about the only good thing about it is Andrew Hulshult's music. The rest of it is pure unadulterated garbage; a twelve-year old's idea of DOOM; a 1997 George Lucas Special Edition of DOOM. No thanks, return to sender.

And that minority is called "Most of the DOOM fandom"

This. If people want to enjoy Brutal DOOM, they can go enjoy Brutal DOOM. But don't try telling me that Brutal DOOM is the best or even a good way to enjoy DOOM, because Brutal DOOM isn't even DOOM anymore.

Why it's not Doom anymore? What has happened?

[Rawr]

rusty_dragon님이 먼저 게시:

Rawr님이 먼저 게시:

This. If people want to enjoy Brutal DOOM, they can go enjoy Brutal DOOM. But don't try telling me that Brutal DOOM is the best or even a good way to enjoy DOOM, because Brutal DOOM isn't even DOOM anymore.

Why it's not Doom anymore? What has happened?

Reloading guns. Drivable vehicles. Stealth kills. It's not really DOOM anymore.

[Gordon]

for thos wining about brutal doom there is always kechup and if you have not herd of it then you sir are missing out. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgp_adxCQiesfxKYIqIE9yQ

[hybridial]

I don't hate Brutal Doom, but I don't particularly like it. I think if I were to be critical, I'd say it was messy (although the latest update did address that somewhat) and blunt, and rather uninteresting. You want to find mods that are more interesting than BD, you don't have to look far, but two examples I'd give are Final Doomer and Metadoom.

I do think however Classic Doom is best the way it was originally designed.

[rusty_dragon]

Rawr님이 먼저 게시:

rusty_dragon님이 먼저 게시:

Why it's not Doom anymore? What has happened?

Reloading guns. Drivable vehicles. Stealth kills. It's not really DOOM anymore.

Aren't those features optional?

[Rhubarb]

Alright, I've got a lot to say about threads like these just because when Brutal DOOM was actively being developed people were going bonkers.

Brutal DOOM is a conversion mod. Just like Ancient Aliens, Chex Quest, Marine DOOM, Clown DOOM, Pirate DOOM, and any other conversion and map pack produced by the community. It's redundant to say "It's not DOOM" because that's the point; it's a modification, a new vision. It's another way to play DOOM. It's not coming to change canon, or the memories you have of classic DOOM, and it's not overthrowing or taking the credit for the legacy DOOM has on modern gaming. It's a reflection of modern gaming on DOOM, as if the gaming industry ran backward and current games influenced DOOM instead.

Any fan, from one extreme to the other, whether you hate the mod, or love it to the point you won't play it any other way are both annoying. The DOOM forums were full of kids and man-children crying over people not enjoying the game the same way they enjoy the game. Every single one just as pointless and obnoxious as the last. This is no different.

Brutal DOOM is fine. Classic DOOM is fine. It's the fans that insist on being ♥♥♥♥♥♥ about it. People cried when modders were mixing up Duke Nukem and Shadow Warrior assets into their WADs because they felt there had to be a line, that you couldn't like anything else if you liked DOOM. This is the same, and the next mod fad will upset them all over again. Hell, mouselook was an old schism back in the day.

Change is inevitable, so I have less sympathy for the folks that feel like they have to defend 'the purity and simple perfection' of DOOM (EVEN THOUGH THAT WILL LITERALLY NEVER GO AWAY), while downloading map packs and GZDOOM so they can ignore the fact that 65% of vanilla DOOM and DOOM II levels are a slog, and the tank controls are utter garbage.

All in all, do you. Stay in your lane and play whatever and however you want to play.

TL;DR - No mod will ever make ID software delete classic DOOM and DOOM II, so don't be afraid of a mix up. You will always have classic DOOM forever and ever, no matter the modding fad.

[Yuga-Suggah]

My only thing about Brutal Doom is like its putting peanut butter on your hamburger. Some people love it, some people don't, and people like me like it but know that there is something off about it.

I don't think I will play Brutal Doom with Classic Doom levels, it just feels too off for me. But there are lots of WADs that work well with it. I really don't mind it with Going Down megaWAD.

I think the only Brutal Doom I do not like at all is Brutal Doom 64s intro level. That does not feel like Doom 64 and I don't understand the point of it.

[DEIMOS-X1]

Reptiloid님이 먼저 게시:

Personally I don't get the appeal. It seems to be aimed at edgy teens, the creator is a certified sociopath with a gore fetish, and he made some questionable design choices like giving Doomguy a voice that's supposed to be "badass" but just sounds like an obese american dude yelling.

imagine trying to call someone a "certified sociopath with a gore fetish" where we have many games with violence and gore, including the very games you're posting on right now lol

you sound like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ boomer dude lol

[Uzef]

the reasons people dont like brutal doom usually boil down to a few things, the creator is an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, the mod its self seems to take up the majority of the doom mod spotlight, to such an extent that many people dont even try anything else. and finally people just dont like the changes the mod makes for the game

[percolator fish]

The author is a pathologically misanthropic right wing a-hole who treated the rest of Doom community like utter trash. That might have something to do with it.

[Crashed]

The Moshman님이 먼저 게시:

The author is a pathologically misanthropic right wing a-hole who treated the rest of Doom community like utter trash. That might have something to do with it.

He's still permanently banned from the zdoom.org forums. He gave instructional information to a disturbed person on how to commit suicide.

[CLG]

my main issue with brutal doom is that it changes the balance very drastically, its a fun mod but it just makes the game way too easy.

[funy]

because it smells

[Daikatan]

My impression of playing Brutal Doom as COOP online with friends was.. something like SWAT or Rainbow Six, lol!

I mean, everyone was moving strategically on the map as squad cause difficulty was set high and if you die you dead until match is over, and all that iron sight and stuff...

[Daikatan]

People who only say that brutal doom just adds gore and edgyness and ignore all that gameplay additions are just those who want to hate on.