Hades
Höllenhuhn May 17, 2023 @ 1:22am
Death defiance option at well of charon gone?!
Normally, at the well of charon, there's a chance that i can buy back my death defiance one at a time.
For the last few rounds, that option just didn't appear, even though i rerolled every well at least one time. Idk if this ist just REALLY bad luck, but i haven't been so unlucky like EVER in this game.
Is there a mechanic that keeps it from appearing after certain events?
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abyssalfury May 17, 2023 @ 3:02am 
Pretty sure it's just luck. At the least, it's not reliable for you to always be able to get them back.
Puzzlemint May 17, 2023 @ 4:02am 
In total, there are 26 possible items the Well of Charon can contain, however, there are a handful of restrictions on them.

Kiss of Styx of course can only show up in the well if you're using Death Defiance (and it can appear even if you haven't popped a DD). If you're using Stubborn Defiance instead, it's replaced by Touch of Styx.

Aether Net can only appear if you have a Call boon, Flame Wheels Release can only appear in Elysium, Night Spindle can only appear once you've unlocked Companions, and Skeletal Lure can only appear once you have the Fishing Rod.

That means, at best, Kiss of Styx is one out of 21 possible items that can appear. This gives you a roughly 14.3% chance of getting Kiss of Styx each time you find or reroll a well.

Assuming, with decent luck on spawns and aggressive rerolling, you have an average of 12 wells per run, that gives you a roughly 84.3% chance of finding at least one Kiss of Styx per run. Those are pretty good odds, but it also means you have a roughly 15.73% chance of never seeing a single Kiss of Styx in any given run, which is also pretty good odds.

And again, that's the best-case scenario. Even setting aside Flame Wheels Release, if we assume Aether Net, Night Spindle, and Skeletal Lure are in the pool as well, that brings the odds of never seeing a Kiss of Styx up to just over 20%. That's a lot. Ask any D&D player how often they roll a 4 or lower on a d20 in any given session.
Höllenhuhn May 17, 2023 @ 5:17am 
That sounds reasonable, but since i've seen the epilogue i've been doing at least 5 runs and not once could i find death defiance and i can't imagine being so unlucky :/
Koala 4peace May 17, 2023 @ 5:39am 
I had a 5 run streak without a single "+x dashes" from Hermes. I love this game but the RNG is sometimes too much of a ♥♥♥♥♥.

That said i think Charon only sell those recharges if you already have lost one. If it's not the case or you did already lost one always, my bad.
Last edited by Koala 4peace; May 17, 2023 @ 8:52am
Höllenhuhn May 17, 2023 @ 6:26am 
I usually only check the well if i've already lost one^^
admiral1018 May 19, 2023 @ 7:01am 
Items won't appear in the well if you can't make use of them. You'll only ever see Kiss of Styx offered if you've already lost a Death Defiance. The odds of seeing it are higher in the final stage since a couple of items are removed from the item pool by then -- Light of Ixion (chaos gates) and Trove Tracker (makes troves appear).
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Date Posted: May 17, 2023 @ 1:22am
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