Can the game have a more casual mode that won't lose progress when not safe to quit?

[Aztheroz]

Today I had to quit a game and didn't know that it could lose the whole run progress if it's not safe to quit. This was pretty frustrated especially when I was about to finish the run. I understand the spirit of trying to prevent the abuse of purposely exit the game and reload to retry the fight with better HP. However, I don't understand why I have to play the game with that "penalty" when I just want to play casually without competing with anybody. I want to have a flexibility that I can choose to abuse the game save if I want to, or honestly play the run till the end. Really, I just want to enjoy the game in my own term.

So I have a suggestion to the game devs: Can the game have a more casual mode that won't make you lose the progress? Maybe this casual mode will make you lose something as a trade off? Or is there a good reason why the game has to really prevent the game save abuse regardless of your play style? I'm really new to this rogue like game genre and not sure if I'm missing anything here

[Sollós]

It's rogue genre. You lose all when you start a new run and you gain some boon permanently. The game could be saved when you have Finish a room and exit at that moment. If you enter a new room you have to finish it before the game counts it as being saved. If it's too difficult for you, search for the option game turning on GOD MODE. Help a lot if you don't have fast reflex.

[Quyzbuk]

The game's not getting new updates, it's 100% complete and it already respects your time as it is. Not the game's fault if you can't budget your free time properly.

[DaBa]

It has nothing to do with being for casual players or not. This is a rogue like, that's how this genre works. You don't "lose progress" when you die or quit the run. You always make progress even if you die: you get to upgrade your character, you get to unlock additional gameplay features, you get new character dialogue and story bits, you complete sidequests, and so on.

You cannot simply make it so all the progress you make during a run is persistent, not only would that completely go against everything this game is, the game isn't even made to handle a change like this. You're not asking for "casual mode" you're asking for a new game that works completely differently. So yes, there is a very good reason why the game doesn't work the way you described: it's not that kind of a game, plain and simple. And everything in the game is made to work around that fact.

If rogue like games are not for you, I'm afraid you just have to stop playing them. Death and defeat in rogue like games is just a part of progression. Unless you understand that, you will probably never enjoy them.

[Aztheroz]

When I quit the game while it's not safe to quit, it actually made me lose all darkness/nectars/gems from that run and reverted my progress back to like I never had that run though. That is my frustration. It would be fine if at least it just treated as I gave up the run instead. But no, everything got reverted.

Maybe I just really got unlucky that the game had a bug then? It sounded like no one has experienced this. So if I quit the game while it's not safe to quit, is it supposed to automatically give up the run then and get me back to the house with all the resources from that run?

[wpegg]

Originally posted by Aztheroz:

When I quit the game while it's not safe to quit, it actually made me lose all darkness/nectars/gems from that run and reverted my progress back to like I never had that run though. That is my frustration. It would be fine if at least it just treated as I gave up the run instead. But no, everything got reverted.

Maybe I just really got unlucky that the game had a bug then? It sounded like no one has experienced this. So if I quit the game while it's not safe to quit, is it supposed to automatically give up the run then and get me back to the house with all the resources from that run?

If you choose "Give Up" it reverts to the start of your last run. If you choose "Quit" while on a run it saves your progress on the current run. If you want to give up but also advance then you have to just go into the next room, stand still and die. Won't take long.

[MozarteanChaos]

Originally posted by Aztheroz:

When I quit the game while it's not safe to quit, it actually made me lose all darkness/nectars/gems from that run and reverted my progress back to like I never had that run though. That is my frustration. It would be fine if at least it just treated as I gave up the run instead. But no, everything got reverted.

Maybe I just really got unlucky that the game had a bug then? It sounded like no one has experienced this. So if I quit the game while it's not safe to quit, is it supposed to automatically give up the run then and get me back to the house with all the resources from that run?

it does treat it like you gave up the run, though, because that's what giving up the run does - it sends you back to the last save before you started the run.

[GiantOctopodes]

For what it's worth, you don't have to have lost all of that. If you had to quit unexpectedly due to unforseen circumstances, or your computer powers off while the game is running due to an outage, or a crash happens at a bad time, or if for *any reason* you lose progress that in your opinion you ought not to have lost, you can just restore it. Make sure the game isn't running of course, and all the usual disclaimers apply about messing with data - if you don't back it up, or don't do something properly, and lose all your progress as a result that's on you, not on me. Be careful and back up your stuff, and if things go sideways just restore your backups to their original filenames and / or locations.

- Go to your Hades saved game folder; %userprofile%\documents\Saved Games\Hades
- Rename your profile save file, likely "Profile1.sav" to something else like "Profile1.old"
- Copy your Profile1_Temp.sav file, and paste it somewhere, then rename it something like Profile1_Temp.old to back it up as well.
- Rename the original Profile1_Temp.sav to Profile1.sav
- Launch the game, you should now be able to pick up where you left off.

This only works if you haven't started another run yet. Basically you're just using the last save point, and you're effectively doing the same thing the game would have done had you quit out properly at a permissible spot. Now, this can be abused, but I don't recommend it, as imho you lose a lot in a game like this if you save scum and just restore if things go south. However crashes, power outages, and other life circumstances happen which are entirely outside your control, and not only is there nothing wrong with doing this, it's one of the things they say you can and should do in the troubleshooting forum for crashes and similar events. I expect it's likely too late for your lost run, but I hope this helps in the future.