Not to be picky but isn't this a rogue-lite?

[Dead Rift]

Game looks incredible and I love the ads for it but one of the tags in it is "Rogue-like God-like" I assumed rogue-lite was more action with rogue elements where as rogue like is turn-based. Feel free to explain it better to this idiot, lol.

[sirtheta]

You are correct: it is in no sense a roguelike, failing some of the most important items in the Berlin Interpretation (including not being turn-based).

[kid_zomb]

Hey, yes, it can be considered a rogue-lite. Hades has real-time combat, permanent progression, a story, difficulty settings, and other characteristics that veer away from the core tenets of traditional rogue-like game.

In our research we felt the terms were being used interchangeably by many players, and that 'rogue-like' was more familiar overall. Game genres sometimes evolve over time, and we found many players view 'rogue-like' with some leniency, not necessarily expecting such games to strictly be turn-based or not having any aspects of permanent progression. An analogy I draw is that most of us would consider Halo a first-person shooter series, yet the series frequently switches to a third-person perspective for vehicle sequences and so on.

For what it's worth, we address rogue-like vs. rogue-like in our Hades FAQ[www.supergiantgames.com] to help explain to those who may be less familiar. All this is just to give context to why we went this route and we welcome feedback about it. It's our intent to describe and show the game in a clear way on our store page here (it hasn't always been easy to describe our games in the past so it's something we care a lot about).

[dustin1280]

It definitively is, a glance at its store page would make that clear.

Rogue-lite and rogue-like tend to be used interchangeably, even if they do have distinctive traits which would usually separate them.

[Crazy Tiger]

A rogue-like adheres to the definitions laid out in the previously named Berlin Interpretation.

A rogue-lite has elements of a rogue-like(often the procedural worlds and permadeath, sometimes other elements), but lets go of a couple of the high-value elements within the Berlin Interpretation (Turn-based is often one that gets cut).

[Dead Rift]

Originally posted by kid_zomb:

Hey, yes, it can be considered a rogue-lite. Hades has real-time combat, permanent progression, a story, difficulty settings, and other characteristics that veer away from the core tenets of traditional rogue-like game.

In our research we felt the terms were being used interchangeably by many players, and that 'rogue-like' was more familiar overall. Game genres sometimes evolve over time, and we found many players view 'rogue-like' with some leniency, not necessarily expecting such games to strictly be turn-based or not having any aspects of permanent progression. An analogy I draw is that most of us would consider Halo a first-person shooter series, yet the series frequently switches to a third-person perspective for vehicle sequences and so on.

For what it's worth, we address rogue-like vs. rogue-like in our Hades FAQ[www.supergiantgames.com] to help explain to those who may be less familiar. All this is just to give context to why we went this route and we welcome feedback about it. It's our intent to describe and show the game in a clear way on our store page here (it hasn't always been easy to describe our games in the past so it's something we care a lot about).

Great and well thought out response, thank you so much! I'll definitely purchase near 1.0 release. Game looks amazing

[Dead Rift]

Originally posted by sirtheta:

You are correct: it is in no sense a roguelike, failing some of the most important items in the Berlin Interpretation (including not being turn-based).

i guess it sounds catchier, rogue like god like sounds better than rogue lite god lite lol

[Dead Rift]

Originally posted by dustin1280:

It definitively is, a glance at its store page would make that clear.

Rogue-lite and rogue-like tend to be used interchangeably, even if they do have distinctive traits which would usually separate them.

Thanks for the confirmation man

[Dead Rift]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

A rogue-like adheres to the definitions laid out in the previously named Berlin Interpretation.

A rogue-lite has elements of a rogue-like(often the procedural worlds and permadeath, sometimes other elements), but lets go of a couple of the high-value elements within the Berlin Interpretation (Turn-based is often one that gets cut).

Ah, didn't know a lot of that. Thank you

[TemmieNeko]

can't wee just agree to call them " rogues " and nothing more?
If a person is interested in a game, they can see what that entails for them, and it would stop threads liek this ( which isnt angryu ) and others woith a guy named after how much he hates ppl using the term roguelike, and rips every single game on steam apart for not being literally the Game Rogue
news flash - nobody has played Rogue, and calling a game a roguelike - like is stupid.

[Dead Rift]

Originally posted by TemmieNeko:

can't wee just agree to call them " rogues " and nothing more?
If a person is interested in a game, they can see what that entails for them, and it would stop threads liek this ( which isnt angryu ) and others woith a guy named after how much he hates ppl using the term roguelike, and rips every single game on steam apart for not being literally the Game Rogue
news flash - nobody has played Rogue, and calling a game a roguelike - like is stupid.

it was just a question dude, you're the one thats butthurt about the thread, not my problem. I thought the topic was fine among the "Epic is stupid hurka derr" threads. You want to talk about something more interesting, then make a thread, or play the game you love instead of being butthurt.

[[Wahr] Eogard]

Getting permanent upgrades for you next runs and therefore making them slightly easier is a rogue lite definition for me for sure.

[TemmieNeko]

Originally posted by Nick Furious:

Originally posted by TemmieNeko:

can't wee just agree to call them " rogues " and nothing more?
If a person is interested in a game, they can see what that entails for them, and it would stop threads liek this ( which isnt angryu ) and others woith a guy named after how much he hates ppl using the term roguelike, and rips every single game on steam apart for not being literally the Game Rogue
news flash - nobody has played Rogue, and calling a game a roguelike - like is stupid.

it was just a question dude, you're the one thats butthurt about the thread, not my problem. I thought the topic was fine among the "Epic is stupid hurka derr" threads. You want to talk about something more interesting, then make a thread, or play the game you love instead of being butthurt.

did you not read what I said? jesus/
IO said your thread wasnt an angry one, I said ANOTHER PERSON does this in every single rouge game on steam, i regret posting in your defensew, you're a smart one ^^b

when did I ever say I was " butthurt" ? lmfao, and why did you bring up epic?
you also called yourslef an idiot in your own post, so that saves me the trouble, I suppose.
sheesh
steam users these days... surely I'm not the only one left with some go**amned sense left?


last edit - re-read my post, hopefully you'll understand I was saying - hey , this isn't some assrashed fanboy whining about the genre term - but there are others that do this.
But nah, I think you just wanted to stir the pot lol.
grats.
uinsubbing from this thread.

[Dead Rift]

Originally posted by TemmieNeko:

Originally posted by Nick Furious:

it was just a question dude, you're the one thats butthurt about the thread, not my problem. I thought the topic was fine among the "Epic is stupid hurka derr" threads. You want to talk about something more interesting, then make a thread, or play the game you love instead of being butthurt.

did you not read what I said? jesus/
IO said your thread wasnt an angry one, I said ANOTHER PERSON does this in every single rouge game on steam, i regret posting in your defensew, you're a smart one ^^b

when did I ever say I was " butthurt" ? lmfao, and why did you bring up epic?
you also called yourslef an idiot in your own post, so that saves me the trouble, I suppose.
sheesh
steam users these days... surely I'm not the only one left with some go**amned sense left?


last edit - re-read my post, hopefully you'll understand I was saying - hey , this isn't some assrashed fanboy whining about the genre term - but there are others that do this.
But nah, I think you just wanted to stir the pot lol.
grats.
uinsubbing from this thread.

sorry i misread, messages can be easily misconstrued if read too quickly. That's my fault, it sounded like you were sick of these threads but i reread it. Yes I was an idiot, i apologize

[sirtheta]

Originally posted by TemmieNeko:

can't wee just agree to call them " rogues " and nothing more?
If a person is interested in a game, they can see what that entails for them, and it would stop threads liek this ( which isnt angryu ) and others woith a guy named after how much he hates ppl using the term roguelike, and rips every single game on steam apart for not being literally the Game Rogue
news flash - nobody has played Rogue, and calling a game a roguelike - like is stupid.

I think there is some value in differentiating the terminology of "roguelike" and "roguelite" (though I almost give a pass to the devs here because well-written prose beats out prescriptivism). While they share a lot of similarities, I think the difference between (especially) real-time and turn-based is so vast that it needs a different term (cf. TBS vs RTS) in order to properly describe the genre. I agree roguelike-like is horrible though, but I think the term roguelite that popped up to replace it is quite good!

also, I've played Rogue! it's an interesting historical play, and I recommend it!

[NOT_A_ROGUELIKE]

The game is lite on roguelike elements which makes it a rogue-lite. It's not like rogue so not a rogue-like.