So what's the deal with all the gifts? (spoilers!)

[MAKAIROSI]

I've played a lot now, i got Meg to a level where i see a locked heart, and Zag confessed his feelings for her. I also got Achilles high and he assumed i was hitting on him which was a bit weird but meh. I mean i give gifts to Cerberus, is he going to assume that too? Anyway, idc. I just wanted to ask should i keep on hunting and giving gifts? Are they gonna do anything for me, or is it just story-related ? And if it is, is anything going to change?

[Donoghu]

The affection system is basically this:
• Each "Heart" represent a number of times you got to talk to the same character.
• Gifts allows you to instantly unlock all the dialogues of the current heart.
You're not skipping the dialogue, but instead it allows you to see the dialogue during each visits without having any of the "filler" repeated dialogues.
• Each character (except for Hades... or at least for now if things changes) gives 1 artifact when their affection level reach a certain part. Some gives it after the first heart was filled (or first gift given) while some other requires a bit more work.
• You can level those artifact by equipping them and cleaning whole rooms of enemies. (Similar to the way you unlock heart by talking, but instead dialogues it's by clearing rooms.)
• You can only give 1 gift per visit. Gifting to Gods requires that you speak/meet them at least once prior. So you can't gift to any Gods when you first meet them. You can only gift to gods (except for Hades) when before you use/talk to their icon by pressing a different key/button than the one to talk to them. Once you talk to them, they disappear and you can't gift them anymore until you find another of their icon/token.

[MAKAIROSI]

I know about artifacts, i have all of them except 1 which is supposedly given by some character i haven't yet unlocked. However, every NPC gave them the very first time i gifted them!

Somehow, i doubt that ALL affection does is gaining the artifacts. Maybe they add effects? Or change they max rank? But so far it seems like a waste of time.

[Aedwynn]

Originally posted by Galaxitus / Donoghu:

The affection system is basically this:
• Each "Heart" represent a number of times you got to talk to the same character.
• Gifts allows you to instantly unlock all the dialogues of the current heart.
You're not skipping the dialogue, but instead it allows you to see the dialogue during each visits without having any of the "filler" repeated dialogues.

Err, I don't think it works that way. No matter how many times you talk to charactes their "heart" rating won't raise. It only raises when you give them Nectar. Listed number of times you have to talk to character is to unlock his Bio entry which is separate.

[EvilShuckle]

Originally posted by MAKAIROSI:

I know about artifacts, i have all of them except 1 which is supposedly given by some character i haven't yet unlocked. However, every NPC gave them the very first time i gifted them!

Somehow, i doubt that ALL affection does is gaining the artifacts. Maybe they add effects? Or change they max rank? But so far it seems like a waste of time.

I was wondering about the same thing and after quite some time on this forum where people responded with all sorts of things except for the answer, I have the answer.

Each character can be given nectar which ups their heart level and unlocks dialogue. The first gives you a trinket, the other is just some dialogue ♥♥♥♥. At a certain point, after a bunch of these nectars, you reach the max level which, for some reason, generally ends up with some love thing.

Now this is where it gets interesting. As far as I know, not many continue after this, but for instance Meg does. After maxing the hearts, a unique quest line starts. I so happen to know that megs requires you to beat the game first, and then I believe toggle the additional boss options for the next run which causes something unique to happen which I will not spoil.

Then you need to talk to her again and again at different places, similar to what you have done so far, only you cant give more nectar. But after a bunch of dialogues, you finish the quest, and then the hearts re-open. At that point you can give the other thing which name I forgot. The first one grants you a unique trinket that can be used additionally to the previous unlocked trinket.

This trinket allows you to summon Meg in battle to do a massive attack. However, you can only call on her once a run (I believe). Giving her more of that stuff unlocks more times you can use it up to, I think, three times a run.

[MAKAIROSI]

Originally posted by Aedwynn:

Originally posted by Galaxitus / Donoghu:

The affection system is basically this:
• Each "Heart" represent a number of times you got to talk to the same character.
• Gifts allows you to instantly unlock all the dialogues of the current heart.
You're not skipping the dialogue, but instead it allows you to see the dialogue during each visits without having any of the "filler" repeated dialogues.

Err, I don't think it works that way. No matter how many times you talk to charactes their "heart" rating won't raise. It only raises when you give them Nectar. Listed number of times you have to talk to character is to unlock his Bio entry which is separate.

Yeah, most of my characters have their entries unlocked already.

[MAKAIROSI]

Originally posted by EvilShuckle:

Originally posted by MAKAIROSI:

I know about artifacts, i have all of them except 1 which is supposedly given by some character i haven't yet unlocked. However, every NPC gave them the very first time i gifted them!

Somehow, i doubt that ALL affection does is gaining the artifacts. Maybe they add effects? Or change they max rank? But so far it seems like a waste of time.

I was wondering about the same thing and after quite some time on this forum where people responded with all sorts of things except for the answer, I have the answer.

Each character can be given nectar which ups their heart level and unlocks dialogue. The first gives you a trinket, the other is just some dialogue ♥♥♥♥. At a certain point, after a bunch of these nectars, you reach the max level which, for some reason, generally ends up with some love thing.

Now this is where it gets interesting. As far as I know, not many continue after this, but for instance Meg does. After maxing the hearts, a unique quest line starts. I so happen to know that megs requires you to beat the game first, and then I believe toggle the additional boss options for the next run which causes something unique to happen which I will not spoil.

Then you need to talk to her again and again at different places, similar to what you have done so far, only you cant give more nectar. But after a bunch of dialogues, you finish the quest, and then the hearts re-open. At that point you can give the other thing which name I forgot. The first one grants you a unique trinket that can be used additionally to the previous unlocked trinket.

This trinket allows you to summon Meg in battle to do a massive attack. However, you can only call on her once a run (I believe). Giving her more of that stuff unlocks more times you can use it up to, I think, three times a run.

Is that really true?

[gabal]

Originally posted by MAKAIROSI:

Originally posted by EvilShuckle:

I was wondering about the same thing and after quite some time on this forum where people responded with all sorts of things except for the answer, I have the answer.

Each character can be given nectar which ups their heart level and unlocks dialogue. The first gives you a trinket, the other is just some dialogue ♥♥♥♥. At a certain point, after a bunch of these nectars, you reach the max level which, for some reason, generally ends up with some love thing.

Now this is where it gets interesting. As far as I know, not many continue after this, but for instance Meg does. After maxing the hearts, a unique quest line starts. I so happen to know that megs requires you to beat the game first, and then I believe toggle the additional boss options for the next run which causes something unique to happen which I will not spoil.

Then you need to talk to her again and again at different places, similar to what you have done so far, only you cant give more nectar. But after a bunch of dialogues, you finish the quest, and then the hearts re-open. At that point you can give the other thing which name I forgot. The first one grants you a unique trinket that can be used additionally to the previous unlocked trinket.

This trinket allows you to summon Meg in battle to do a massive attack. However, you can only call on her once a run (I believe). Giving her more of that stuff unlocks more times you can use it up to, I think, three times a run.

Is that really true?

Yes, few characters can give you a special trinket (that can be worn alongside regular trinket) that summons them for big damage. Basic version is once per escape attempt but you can level it with more ambrosia. However, all of them require you to solve a quest of sorts to unlock ability to give them ambrosia and earn their trinket.

[EvilShuckle]

Originally posted by MAKAIROSI:

Originally posted by EvilShuckle:

I was wondering about the same thing and after quite some time on this forum where people responded with all sorts of things except for the answer, I have the answer.

Each character can be given nectar which ups their heart level and unlocks dialogue. The first gives you a trinket, the other is just some dialogue ♥♥♥♥. At a certain point, after a bunch of these nectars, you reach the max level which, for some reason, generally ends up with some love thing.

Now this is where it gets interesting. As far as I know, not many continue after this, but for instance Meg does. After maxing the hearts, a unique quest line starts. I so happen to know that megs requires you to beat the game first, and then I believe toggle the additional boss options for the next run which causes something unique to happen which I will not spoil.

Then you need to talk to her again and again at different places, similar to what you have done so far, only you cant give more nectar. But after a bunch of dialogues, you finish the quest, and then the hearts re-open. At that point you can give the other thing which name I forgot. The first one grants you a unique trinket that can be used additionally to the previous unlocked trinket.

This trinket allows you to summon Meg in battle to do a massive attack. However, you can only call on her once a run (I believe). Giving her more of that stuff unlocks more times you can use it up to, I think, three times a run.

Is that really true?

I was expecting a thank you but instead the one person who answers it and takes up his time to explain it entirely is questioned whether it's true. You're welcome... I guess? Yes it is true.

[MAKAIROSI]

Originally posted by EvilShuckle:

Originally posted by MAKAIROSI:

Is that really true?

I was expecting a thank you but instead the one person who answers it and takes up his time to explain it entirely is questioned whether it's true. You're welcome... I guess? Yes it is true.

I honestly thought you were trolling! It seems a bit needlessly complicated. I mean, why would you need her trinket if you've already finished the game? Anyway, thank you!

[EvilShuckle]

Originally posted by MAKAIROSI:

Originally posted by EvilShuckle:

I was expecting a thank you but instead the one person who answers it and takes up his time to explain it entirely is questioned whether it's true. You're welcome... I guess? Yes it is true.

I honestly thought you were trolling! It seems a bit needlessly complicated. I mean, why would you need her trinket if you've already finished the game? Anyway, thank you!

Mostly because beating the game is only the beginning. After that the hard stuff starts

[MAKAIROSI]

Originally posted by EvilShuckle:

Originally posted by MAKAIROSI:

I honestly thought you were trolling! It seems a bit needlessly complicated. I mean, why would you need her trinket if you've already finished the game? Anyway, thank you!

Mostly because beating the game is only the beginning. After that the hard stuff starts

Well i have come pretty close to winning (i suppose beating Hades is "winning"), i got his second form (i assume that's his final one) down to 1/4, but i ALWAYS die there.

By the way, the ONLY way to do that is getting the second type of the stygian blade (+crit) and do a build with athena(deflect dash), hermes (bonus dashes), ares (his call) and then any or all of the following: deadalus (anything that gives more damage to attacks and/or dash attacks), ares (anything towards the full "vicious circle" "set"), and if possible athena's revenge (impervious for a little bit). In general other thing can fit in this build like artemis' arrow/attack thing.

There is literally no other way i found to do it. I've played a LOT with the bow, but i just can't be effective against Hades.

Maybe being careful with a shield block would be somewhat effective, but i just can't find shield fun to play.

PS: When i get to Hades i switch to the trinket that gives me 1 more life, and of course i have every other mirror upgrade

[琴台路半仙]

Originally posted by EvilShuckle:

Originally posted by MAKAIROSI:

I know about artifacts, i have all of them except 1 which is supposedly given by some character i haven't yet unlocked. However, every NPC gave them the very first time i gifted them!

Somehow, i doubt that ALL affection does is gaining the artifacts. Maybe they add effects? Or change they max rank? But so far it seems like a waste of time.

I was wondering about the same thing and after quite some time on this forum where people responded with all sorts of things except for the answer, I have the answer.

Each character can be given nectar which ups their heart level and unlocks dialogue. The first gives you a trinket, the other is just some dialogue ♥♥♥♥. At a certain point, after a bunch of these nectars, you reach the max level which, for some reason, generally ends up with some love thing.

Now this is where it gets interesting. As far as I know, not many continue after this, but for instance Meg does. After maxing the hearts, a unique quest line starts. I so happen to know that megs requires you to beat the game first, and then I believe toggle the additional boss options for the next run which causes something unique to happen which I will not spoil.

Then you need to talk to her again and again at different places, similar to what you have done so far, only you cant give more nectar. But after a bunch of dialogues, you finish the quest, and then the hearts re-open. At that point you can give the other thing which name I forgot. The first one grants you a unique trinket that can be used additionally to the previous unlocked trinket.

This trinket allows you to summon Meg in battle to do a massive attack. However, you can only call on her once a run (I believe). Giving her more of that stuff unlocks more times you can use it up to, I think, three times a run.

Does it have a pattern that which characters appear in the base everytime after you die? It's like I've played three rounds or four and I haven't seen meg lately

[EvilShuckle]

Originally posted by 琴台路半仙:

Originally posted by EvilShuckle:

I was wondering about the same thing and after quite some time on this forum where people responded with all sorts of things except for the answer, I have the answer.

Each character can be given nectar which ups their heart level and unlocks dialogue. The first gives you a trinket, the other is just some dialogue ♥♥♥♥. At a certain point, after a bunch of these nectars, you reach the max level which, for some reason, generally ends up with some love thing.

Now this is where it gets interesting. As far as I know, not many continue after this, but for instance Meg does. After maxing the hearts, a unique quest line starts. I so happen to know that megs requires you to beat the game first, and then I believe toggle the additional boss options for the next run which causes something unique to happen which I will not spoil.

Then you need to talk to her again and again at different places, similar to what you have done so far, only you cant give more nectar. But after a bunch of dialogues, you finish the quest, and then the hearts re-open. At that point you can give the other thing which name I forgot. The first one grants you a unique trinket that can be used additionally to the previous unlocked trinket.

This trinket allows you to summon Meg in battle to do a massive attack. However, you can only call on her once a run (I believe). Giving her more of that stuff unlocks more times you can use it up to, I think, three times a run.

Does it have a pattern that which characters appear in the base everytime after you die? It's like I've played three rounds or four and I haven't seen meg lately

There is rng yes so you can be unlucky. But I also had the problem of her not returning. At that point the problem was that I had to have beaten the game, then done the boss upgrade challenge. It was required for the quest. After that it continued. So if the last time you saw meg was that she was standing in your room, then thats what you have to do next

Originally posted by MAKAIROSI:

Originally posted by EvilShuckle:

Mostly because beating the game is only the beginning. After that the hard stuff starts

Well i have come pretty close to winning (i suppose beating Hades is "winning"), i got his second form (i assume that's his final one) down to 1/4, but i ALWAYS die there.

By the way, the ONLY way to do that is getting the second type of the stygian blade (+crit) and do a build with athena(deflect dash), hermes (bonus dashes), ares (his call) and then any or all of the following: deadalus (anything that gives more damage to attacks and/or dash attacks), ares (anything towards the full "vicious circle" "set"), and if possible athena's revenge (impervious for a little bit). In general other thing can fit in this build like artemis' arrow/attack thing.

There is literally no other way i found to do it. I've played a LOT with the bow, but i just can't be effective against Hades.

Maybe being careful with a shield block would be somewhat effective, but i just can't find shield fun to play.

PS: When i get to Hades i switch to the trinket that gives me 1 more life, and of course i have every other mirror upgrade

Are you asking how to beat hades? Well there are several ways. The most consistent ive been able to was with the bow. What I recommend with bow, is to give nectar to thanatos. It gives you the trinket that is definitely the best with it. If you can play well enough early on you have a massive boost later on. It is definitely good to get used to, good practise.

[Aedwynn]

Originally posted by MAKAIROSI:

Well i have come pretty close to winning (i suppose beating Hades is "winning"), i got his second form (i assume that's his final one) down to 1/4, but i ALWAYS die there.

By the way, the ONLY way to do that is getting the second type of the stygian blade (+crit) and do a build with athena(deflect dash), hermes (bonus dashes), ares (his call) and then any or all of the following: deadalus (anything that gives more damage to attacks and/or dash attacks), ares (anything towards the full "vicious circle" "set"), and if possible athena's revenge (impervious for a little bit). In general other thing can fit in this build like artemis' arrow/attack thing.

There is literally no other way i found to do it. I've played a LOT with the bow, but i just can't be effective against Hades.

Maybe being careful with a shield block would be somewhat effective, but i just can't find shield fun to play.

PS: When i get to Hades i switch to the trinket that gives me 1 more life, and of course i have every other mirror upgrade

I defeated him with 2 weapons now - blade and bow. The key to fight as I think is to minimize incoming damage by:
1) reflecting green skulls back at Hades (I used Athena volley shot on bow for that), destroying them if there's too much of them or simply dashing through death ripple they send.
2) hiding behind terrain from his laser beams.
3) when he vanishes to do a stealth attack he makes a print in a snow right before attack so you can predict and dodge.
4) Aphrodite's curse!
As for damage, stacking poison works well, especially if you can add another curse.

[MAKAIROSI]

When i beat him the first time i was like "wow that was tough!" and then he heals and i was literally punching keys saying "wtf??" xD I wasn't expecting him to heal!