Why do Erebus gates spawn that can't be entered?

[Effigy]

Unless I'm misunderstanding something, Gates of Erebus can spawn with higher heat requirement than the current run has and there's no way to enter them. Why does this happen? It's just clutter that serves no purpose other than Jebaiting the player.

[C4RNIVOR3]

The gates are tied to specific heat. Tartarus gates are 5 heat, Asphodel gates are 10 heat, Elysium gates are 15 heat. These are static numbers. When you purchase the contract that allows them to spawn, it's for Erebus as a whole (it is technically counted as a region in the codex), and since the gates are tied to specific values their entry is disabled if the heat value doesn't match. It's not "jebaiting" and to be frank there are few instances you'd ever want to hit that 15 heat gate anyway.

[Effigy]

Ah, thanks for explaining that. Still, I have to wonder why the higher heat gates spawn at all if you can't enter them. I think it would make a lot more sense for the game to only spawn gates with heat <= to the current heat. If that means you only spawn Tartarus gates or none at all, so be it.

Right now I'm regretting buying the gate upgrade because it just spawns gates I can't enter, and I wouldn't be surprised if those gates are conflicting with Chaos spawns and stuff like that. There appears to be no way of disabling gate spawns after you buy the upgrade either.

[TommyEV]

Originally posted by Effigy:

Ah, thanks for explaining that. Still, I have to wonder why the higher heat gates spawn at all if you can't enter them. I think it would make a lot more sense for the game to only spawn gates with heat <= to the current heat. If that means you only spawn Tartarus gates or none at all, so be it.

Right now I'm regretting buying the gate upgrade because it just spawns gates I can't enter, and I wouldn't be surprised if those gates are conflicting with Chaos spawns and stuff like that. There appears to be no way of disabling gate spawns after you buy the upgrade either.

Consider it something like "see? If you were using higher heat you could be getting double the reward here".

[fractal9091]

Originally posted by Effigy:

Ah, thanks for explaining that. Still, I have to wonder why the higher heat gates spawn at all if you can't enter them. I think it would make a lot more sense for the game to only spawn gates with heat <= to the current heat. If that means you only spawn Tartarus gates or none at all, so be it.

Right now I'm regretting buying the gate upgrade because it just spawns gates I can't enter, and I wouldn't be surprised if those gates are conflicting with Chaos spawns and stuff like that. There appears to be no way of disabling gate spawns after you buy the upgrade either.

I don't think the Erebus gates conflict with Chaos gates - at least, I sometimes get both in the same room.

I think there's value to having the gates show up even if you can't unlock them - otherwise, you might not even know what you had purchased.

[Effigy]

I guess as long as the Gate spawns don't prevent other random spawns like Chaos, then it's fine for them to spawn even if you can't enter.

As an aside, I think it would be nice if we could disable any run-affecting upgrades from the contractor bench. This could be done by toggling the option in the bench menu, similar to the way you can swap decorations.

[TommyEV]

Originally posted by Effigy:

I guess as long as the Gate spawns don't prevent other random spawns like Chaos, then it's fine for them to spawn even if you can't enter.

As an aside, I think it would be nice if we could disable any run-affecting upgrades from the contractor bench. This could be done by toggling the option in the bench menu, similar to the way you can swap decorations.

I can also confirm that it doesn't prevent other things from spawning.

The idea of being able to disable them sounds fun, it would allow for challenge runs and such.