Is there a conclusive 'end all be all' Weapon Aspects Tier List?

[Rontemon]

I found many tier lists online but many of them have huge discrepancies between them all. One aspect that is an S/Very good tier in one list appears as a bad weapon on another tier list.

[Nibbie]

It is almost like different people have different opinions because because pretty much any weapon isn't objectively better than others. This is like asking for a definitive list of best ice cream flavors, there is no such thing. Playstyle/familiarity/heat level/skill level/speed goal all influence such a tier list.

[C4RNIVOR3]

There is not. Players have different playstyle preferences and all weapons and aspects are valid. Really the only thing you could come close to having a definitive tier list for is speedrunning/high heat, because certain aspects do objectively perform better in those categories than others, but besides that? You won't find any "end all be all" tier list for this game because the devs ensured that aspects are fairly well balanced across the board for the vast majority of gameplay. What aspect one player hates and thinks is the worst thing in the game is an aspect that someone else performs their best with.

[Local Jerk]

Postat inițial de Nibbie:

It is almost like different people have different opinions because because pretty much any weapon isn't objectively better than others. This is like asking for a definitive list of best ice cream flavors, there is no such thing. Playstyle/familiarity/heat level/skill level/speed goal all influence such a tier list.

Ice cream flavors and weapons are not the same thing. Look at any PvP game, there are always clear tier lists. The only reason we don't have them in Hades is that the game is single player, but there are certain weapons that are obviously better than others.

Ofc ppl have different styles and will prefer different weapons as a result, but the reality is that because certain weapons are better than others, certain styles are better enabled.

[C4RNIVOR3]

Postat inițial de Local Jerk:

but there are certain weapons that are obviously better than others.

This is only true in specific situations, such as speedruns and high heat (40+), as I've already pointed out. For the vast majority of gameplay aside from that, no, there are not "certain weapons that are obviously better than others." People can certainly act elitist over certain aspects but for the most part it really does literally just come down to player preference. Asserting any one aspect is superior over another in regular gameplay is honestly just silly, because, again, whatever aspect you think is the worst/the best will be someone else's best/worst aspect to run with.

Certain aspects are objectively better at high heat for the simple fact that the game isn't balanced around high heat runs.

[Local Jerk]

Postat inițial de C4RNIVOR3:

Postat inițial de Local Jerk:

but there are certain weapons that are obviously better than others.

This is only true in specific situations, such as speedruns and high heat (40+), as I've already pointed out. For the vast majority of gameplay aside from that, no, there are not "certain weapons that are obviously better than others." People can certainly act elitist over certain aspects but for the most part it really does literally just come down to player preference. Asserting any one aspect is superior over another in regular gameplay is honestly just silly, because, again, whatever aspect you think is the worst/the best will be someone else's best/worst aspect to run with.

Certain aspects are objectively better at high heat for the simple fact that the game isn't balanced around high heat runs.

Higher heat is higher difficulty. Ergo, weapons better at a higher difficulty are just plain better. Your arguments are just nonsensical. I'm not arguing about what ppl prefer, I'm arguing about which weapon is better as a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ weapon, aka to kill things with it.

[Rontemon]

Postat inițial de C4RNIVOR3:

There is not. Players have different playstyle preferences and all weapons and aspects are valid.

But there shouldn't be such a huge gap between the different tier lists?

For example..

In one tier list, this dude rated Arthur sword = S tier

In another tier list, another dude rated Arthur sword = F tier

[CrazyJ]

Arthur sword is really good if you are the sort that likes to slowly and methodically take your target down with hard hitting attacks, to those like me who prefer to dash around like a crackhead squirrel it requires a lot of adjustment, but i do enjoy the challenge.

[Rontemon]

Postat inițial de CrazyJ:

Arthur sword is really good if you are the sort that likes to slowly and methodically take your target down with hard hitting attacks, to those like me who prefer to dash around like a crackhead squirrel it requires a lot of adjustment, but i do enjoy the challenge.

Another example.. Gilgamesh claw = F tier in 1 tier list while it is S tier in another tier list.

Unfortunately I have yet to unlock these hidden aspects to test them out myself.

I mean.. if they are not that far off in terms of viability, why do those two Youtubers rate them so far apart?

[Juravis]

While its not possible to make what you request, you could definitely list a couple of things that are severely what I consider better choice than others especially considering past choices you made on the run. Since the choice lists are random and we cannot know what you picked, it is not possible to make a definitive guide.

Everytime i wanted to come on this forum to say that "X is crap" i always found myself going "well, this isnt too bad with this" at some future point.

I will admit though i am biased towards non-charge moves. I find them slow and make me vulnerable for too long and I prefer to convert them immediately to something like "your charge is now a burst" or something like that. They are also more difficult to aim with a gamepad slightly.

[Local Jerk]

Postat inițial de Merciful:

Postat inițial de C4RNIVOR3:

There is not. Players have different playstyle preferences and all weapons and aspects are valid.

But there shouldn't be such a huge gap between the different tier lists?

For example..

In one tier list, this dude rated Arthur sword = S tier

In another tier list, another dude rated Arthur sword = F tier

Arthur depends a lot on playstyle and which Pacts you take, though I do believe that there is a certain heat level above which it just becomes generally F tier, due to not being able to avoid Pacts which suck too hard.

[C4RNIVOR3]

Postat inițial de Merciful:

But there shouldn't be such a huge gap between the different tier lists?

For example..

In one tier list, this dude rated Arthur sword = S tier

In another tier list, another dude rated Arthur sword = F tier

That's literally just player preference bro. I hate Arthur sword because I simply do not enjoy playing slower type movesets in most games because they make me feel impatient. A lot of people love Arthur for its power and how it can disable traps.

Player preference. Stop trying to categorize every little thing about a game into tiers and just enjoy what you enjoy.

[Local Jerk]

Postat inițial de C4RNIVOR3:

Postat inițial de Merciful:

But there shouldn't be such a huge gap between the different tier lists?

For example..

In one tier list, this dude rated Arthur sword = S tier

In another tier list, another dude rated Arthur sword = F tier

That's literally just player preference bro. I hate Arthur sword because I simply do not enjoy playing slower type movesets in most games because they make me feel impatient. A lot of people love Arthur for its power and how it can disable traps.

Player preference. Stop trying to categorize every little thing about a game into tiers and just enjoy what you enjoy.

Many players prefer to organize everything into tier lists, stop trying to tell them that they shouldn't do what they like.

[TommyEV]

Postat inițial de Local Jerk:

Postat inițial de C4RNIVOR3:

That's literally just player preference bro. I hate Arthur sword because I simply do not enjoy playing slower type movesets in most games because they make me feel impatient. A lot of people love Arthur for its power and how it can disable traps.

Player preference. Stop trying to categorize every little thing about a game into tiers and just enjoy what you enjoy.

Many players prefer to organize everything into tier lists, stop trying to tell them that they shouldn't do what they like.

Many players like trying to dictate what others are allowed to like. Stop trying to tell them not to!

[Local Jerk]

Postat inițial de TommyEV:

Postat inițial de Local Jerk:

Many players prefer to organize everything into tier lists, stop trying to tell them that they shouldn't do what they like.

Many players like trying to dictate what others are allowed to like. Stop trying to tell them not to!

Nah, I'll gladly tell that guy to stop dictating to others what they should like. And you, since you seem to be just as bad as him.

[Wyrtt]

Game is not ballanced to a perfection. People that think it is are dellusional.
Forget about aspects and boons and daedalus, just basic weapon kits are not =.
You can easily finish the game with shield or gun without any boons because theri kit is versatile. But basic sword or bow? They are abysmal, have low dps and slow.

Basic shield or blitz are 100% AFK victory. Just stuck some dots on your special and you can just stand in the corner while bosses die on their own. Doom, hangover and zeus melt bosses while you risk nothing.

Fists for example without any boons or range upgrade are useless. High risk zero reward. Only right boons can make it on par with other naked weapons.

Spear vampici aspect is I won button with 1% more effort than afk shield if you gathered few life up upgrades. With +-100 hp you just spam spin attack and never die from anything.

Lucifer for rail on the other hand is a clunky mess on a controller. You can aim at mine with autotarget lock. Laser and mines are not THAT better than any other rail with rocket upgrade.