Backstab bonus BUG

[nightshift]

Apparently this game doesn't have a subforum about bugs despite starting out as an Early Access title, so I guess I'll be posting here then:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2340876214
How come that with nearly +200% from Chaos and +50% from Mirror of Night bonus damage from the back, I only get 35% with that duo boon?

Also, it nowhere near felt 350% when I hit from behind either (the normal 100% + the 250% as bonus). Seemingly I didn't even get double damage, more around +85% at most. Are the Chaos boons cancelling the lower ones (including the mirror bonus) instead of piling up?
Description of the duo boon says "ANY BONUSES". To me, that sounds like the game is okay with not just having more than one, it will accumulate all of them together.
The description should either be changed because it's misleading, or the bonus needs to be raised properly, as right now I only got 10% of the actual amount (35% instead of 350%).

[babycakes]

You can submit bugs by pressing F10 in-game. You have 244% backstab damage bonus (Chaos + Mirror) on attack and special. With Parting Shot, your cast now gains the ability to deal backstab damage of 279%. I'm not sure if Parting Shot's 35% goes to all backstab damage or if it's only on the cast.

Your attack bonus damage is on Attack only, but it applies on all Attack (not Special, Cast, or Dash) whether you backstab or not.

[nightshift]

I picked up this skill again with literally zero backstab bonus (not even from the mirror) and it still displayed 35%... Game is now beyond 1.0, and I don't know how this was still left in it.

[TheSwanDragon]

Originally posted by nightshift:

I picked up this skill again with literally zero backstab bonus (not even from the mirror) and it still displayed 35%... Game is now beyond 1.0, and I don't know how this was still left in it.

The skill will always display "35%" because that is the bonus the skill provides on its own. If you feel like you're not getting the appropriate amount of damage, please report that in-game with f10 so that the devs can investigate it.

[babycakes]

Originally posted by nightshift:

I picked up this skill again with literally zero backstab bonus (not even from the mirror) and it still displayed 35%... Game is now beyond 1.0, and I don't know how this was still left in it.

Then I don't understand what the bug is. I explained how it works because Idk how you got 350% backstab bonus when the most it could be is 279%. Since you were using Spear, 2.79x damage bonus helps but you're not going to see big numbers jumping off the page, especially when the build you used has room for improvement damage-wise. You lack a boon on Special and Cast and you do not have reliable Status Curse options to trigger Privileged Status for additional 40% damage. I would have recommended squeezing in Exposed on Dash Deflect, so that you could at least Attack to trigger hangover then repeatedly Dash until Exposed, which would have upped your backstab bonus further.

You're complaining about the descriptions, but they read clear to me. Parting Shot gives 35% backstab bonus because it's right there in the description. The only ambiguity imo is whether the 35% is only for Cast backstab damage, or if it applies to Attack and Special too.

[nightshift]

I never said 350% is the bonus, I said 350% damage. If there's 250% as bonus, that means that comes in addition to the 100% basic damage. My built didn't even have a cast boon, so with the standard 50 damage, my total should've been 175 from the back.
The thing is, even my regular attacks with my weapon did not reflect the increase - this made me think that several damage boons could overshadow each other and maybe only the biggest applies. If this is the case, it should be mentioned in the game, so players who want to stack bonuses would know that it's not gonna work and wouldn't waste a chaos boon for nothing. But even this was not my main point with this thread.

The thing I'm concerned about is the info window of the Parting Shot duo boon. And I'm going to make another attempt and honestly kinda surprised that I was unable to properly get the message through. However, thank you for each reply. Anyway here goes:
The boon always display 35%. I have no idea where it gets this number from as it's not related to the actual backstab bonuses my character have. Either it should say you'll get a FLAT 35% bonus on your cast from the back and that's that - but in addition, it tells you that you'll "gain any bonuses you have for striking foes from behind". See, when you take Demeter's Nourished Soul for example, the game is able to display your total health pool and what you have left of it as additional info. This helps you decide on taking this boon or not. So why it can't do the same with the current backstab bonus? I don't want to see 35% (especially if it is not true), I want to see 244%, or if I don't even have any bonus, THEN ZERO. That would suggest me that I won't get anything out of this duo boon. Just show me the actual number I get, that's the only number I'm interested in and if it's possible, don't make the player do the math. This is perfectly executed with the Demeter boon, even Strong Drink is able to always show the total damage bonus I get from the fountains I visited. It shows the current total and it changes after each fountain. Why can't Parting Shot do the same with backstab bonus?

Hope this is clear now, sorry if it went down to kindergarden level of overexplanation, but I led to believe this might be the key in our case.

[Tumalu]

The 35% is an additional backstab bonus that is added ontop of your normal backstab power. It increases the damage of your backstabs by another 35% ontop of whatever else you have.

Also, all bonuses in Hades stack additively except crits, most hammer buffs, and some Aspects. So whatever backstab bonuses add to whatever your other damage bonuses were, instead of multiplying. Granted, it didn't seem like you had many of those since it's a Hangover build.

[Tumalu]

Ah, I see. It's Hades aspect. Your Hades aspect grants 150% damage bonus (if it's maxed at least) so you were already doing ~250% damage, plus 80 ish from Chaos Attack boons for roughly 330%. From there your backstab bonus raised it to roughly 580%, which is not quite double. Your casts would have backstabbed pretty dang hard if you'd had a cast boon though.

tl;dr version: The numbers are all correct, backstab bonus is additive, not multiplicative

[nightshift]

Originally posted by Tumalu:

Ah, I see. It's Hades aspect. Your Hades aspect grants 150% damage bonus (if it's maxed at least) so you were already doing ~250% damage, plus 80 ish from Chaos Attack boons for roughly 330%. From there your backstab bonus raised it to roughly 580%, which is not quite double. Your casts would have backstabbed pretty dang hard if you'd had a cast boon though.

tl;dr version: The numbers are all correct, backstab bonus is additive, not multiplicative

First, thanks for giving it some thought. The Hades aspect is maxed, but I did not take it into account here. As seen on the screenshot, the highlighted boons are the above mentioned Parting Shot, and 4 Chaos boons, 2 Attack + 2 BACKSTAB. Latter combined are +194% damage from the back + another 50% granted by Shadow Presence from the Mirror of Night = 244% (the Attack bonus from Chaos boon or Hades aspect should not increase my Cast damage).
So the Parting Shot description should mention +244% instead of 35%. But it shows 35% even with or without any bonus from the above.

[babycakes]

Originally posted by nightshift:

I never said 350% is the bonus, I said 350% damage. If there's 250% as bonus, that means that comes in addition to the 100% basic damage. My built didn't even have a cast boon, so with the standard 50 damage, my total should've been 175 from the back.
The thing is, even my regular attacks with my weapon did not reflect the increase - this made me think that several damage boons could overshadow each other and maybe only the biggest applies. If this is the case, it should be mentioned in the game, so players who want to stack bonuses would know that it's not gonna work and wouldn't waste a chaos boon for nothing. But even this was not my main point with this thread.

The thing I'm concerned about is the info window of the Parting Shot duo boon. And I'm going to make another attempt and honestly kinda surprised that I was unable to properly get the message through. However, thank you for each reply. Anyway here goes:
The boon always display 35%. I have no idea where it gets this number from as it's not related to the actual backstab bonuses my character have. Either it should say you'll get a FLAT 35% bonus on your cast from the back and that's that - but in addition, it tells you that you'll "gain any bonuses you have for striking foes from behind". See, when you take Demeter's Nourished Soul for example, the game is able to display your total health pool and what you have left of it as additional info. This helps you decide on taking this boon or not. So why it can't do the same with the current backstab bonus? I don't want to see 35% (especially if it is not true), I want to see 244%, or if I don't even have any bonus, THEN ZERO. That would suggest me that I won't get anything out of this duo boon. Just show me the actual number I get, that's the only number I'm interested in and if it's possible, don't make the player do the math. This is perfectly executed with the Demeter boon, even Strong Drink is able to always show the total damage bonus I get from the fountains I visited. It shows the current total and it changes after each fountain. Why can't Parting Shot do the same with backstab bonus?

Hope this is clear now, sorry if it went down to kindergarden level of overexplanation, but I led to believe this might be the key in our case.

Yeah ok that's fair, it would be helpful if the UI added all damage bonus categories together like it does for health boons so that you don't have to open the boon menu + whip out a calculator each time. It's entirely possible that the two boons in each category (Atk and Backstab bonus) caused a bug, so you should report it to the devs if you can.

[Tumalu]

Oh I see, I was thinking of normal attack damage when you said the damage wasn't coming out correctly. Hmm. In that case there does seem to be actual missing damage.

It sounds like the Chaos backstab boons aren't working with Parting Shot, just the mirror bonus and Parting Shot's +35%, for a total of +85%. This is a real bug if so! Nice find.


That being said, Parting Shot's description is not bugged. It says +35% because the duo boon itself grants an extra +35% backstab ontop of your normal backstab damage. While listing your total backstab power could be a future quality of life change, nothing it's saying is actually wrong.

But yeah it sounds like Chaos boon backstab isn't working with Parting Shot.