I don't understantd

[[Rbls] Yorld]

This game is fun and all but I don't get the diffculty balance.
Lvl 1, 2 ,3 are jokes once you undertood the basics.
Boss lvl 2 (hydras) is a complete joke I don't think I ever died against it.

But man, the 2 bosses of elysym... wtf.
Hit boxes of the minotaur are ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, but ok I guess that's managable... But theese, the guy with the spear...wtf is this boss design. Phase 2 is pure madness, perma auto shoot at you + 90% of the room being aoe...

So all my runs are the same now: walkthrough lvl 1 2 3 with 0 challenges... and then destroyed by spearman with his bull.
I'm stuck, I'm sad

[Its LB]

At least are you improving? Are you able to lower down Theseus (your 'spearman') or kill Aterius ('his bull')? Are you improving? Cause that's what rougelikes are all about. And also, Theseus has 2 attacks. He can either throw a spear at you or if you are too close to him, he can make a spin move. Do a run where you only try to dodge his attacks and/or try to dodge only Asterius' attacks (you can do it with Asterius more easily because he is a mini-boss as well, and if you defeat him as a mini-boss he will start with 1/5th of his health missing at the start of the fight with Theseus as well). So yeah, just rince an repeat, and also, what you said about Tartarus, Asphodel and Elysium can be said about all the game, understand the basics and you will be golden. And also one last thing, on whichever god Theseus calls when he does his second face, his attacks will infict that kind of damage. For example if he calls on Dionysus if he hits you he will give you a small poison effect, if he calls on Ares he will infict Doom damage with his attacks, so on, so forth.

[Darth Bokeh]

Some tips:

Fight Asterius first (since Theseus starts using AOE at 50% health, you don't want Asterius around when that happens).

Be aware of Theseus' location and try to fight Asterius with a pillar between you and Theseus.

You can hear his spear toss windup. If you're in the open, dash perpendicular to him to avoid it or dash behind a pillar.

Athena's boons make Theseus much easier. Her dodge with an extra dodge or two from Hermes helps a lot (you can dodge toward him to deflect his spear). Her cast moves slowly, so you can cast at him while you hear his windup and it will deflect his spear as it moves toward him.

As you practice you will get a feel for Asterius' patterns and know when to dodge behind him to avoid his attacks.

Save a greater call for Theseus' phase 2 (below 50% health).

Edit:
Eurydice's Acorn keepsake can be really good here

[[Rbls] Yorld]

Originally posted by 1sot0pe:

Some tips:

Fight Asterius first (since Theseus starts using AOE at 50% health, you don't want Asterius around when that happens).

Be aware of Theseus' location and try to fight Asterius with a pillar between you and Theseus.

You can hear his spear toss windup. If you're in the open, dash perpendicular to him to avoid it or dash behind a pillar.

Athena's boons make Theseus much easier. Her dodge with an extra dodge or two from Hermes helps a lot (you can dodge toward him to deflect his spear). Her cast moves slowly, so you can cast at him while you hear his windup and it will deflect his spear as it moves toward him.

As you practice you will get a feel for Asterius' patterns and know when to dodge behind him to avoid his attacks.

Save a greater call for Theseus' phase 2 (below 50% health).

Thanks, yes all of this make sense but... I already do it !
That's really the Theseus phase 2 I think is too hard.
I know I need to build my ult and unleash it on him... but even doing that feel just too hard, with all the dmg he keeps spamming
I mean on a 1 to 10 difficulty scale, the game is 1 or 2 the whole run... and is magically set up to 10 on this boss fight...

But again thank you for your tips
My post was mainly a post run trauma expiation

[Darth Bokeh]

Yeah, these guys gave me a hard time too when I first started.

[chris.ferrantegerard]

Originally posted by Rbls Yorld:

That's really the Theseus phase 2 I think is too hard.
I know I need to build my ult and unleash it on him... but even doing that feel just too hard, with all the dmg he keeps spamming

Theseus by himself is fairly easy once you take down Minotaur as you can just concentrate on him. You should be doing the same things in Theseus' phase 2 as you did the first, just need to spend more time to dodge the god AOEs. He always turns his back after the throw for a few seconds which gives you some time to get some blows in before he turns back. Bait out throw, dash behind pillar, dash back, hit Theseus in back, rinse and repeat. If you're too close to Theseus he'll do a spear swing so you need to pay attention to that. Fight requires patience.

[whispers]

not really any advice from me, but I just wanted to comment how amusingly different our experiences are, because getting past the Fury and Hydra is still a coin toss for me (more for the hydra), while dealing with the duo in Elysium is comparatively easy, once I manage to reach them.

I think it really depends on the weapons you run with and the buffs you get along the way.

[Pizza Subscription]

easiest is usually killing Theseus, you can dodge his spears if you're next to him. Keep him meleeing so you can dodge both at once. Ast's first 2 swipes and leap are always the same amount of time, you can start his combo away from Theseus and dodge towards him since his leap usually misses anyway.

Ast's 2nd combo after 2swipe+leap is either 2 leaps or 2 quick swipes. Keep an eye on what part of his combo is going off, he becomes easy to ignore unless you accidentally get him to phase 2 before Theseus dies.

Also, Theseus' first phase 2 aoe leaves him completely unprotected while casting. Depending on which God he has you can unload all your dps into him for a quick kill.

Also he always walks slowly for 2s after throwing a spear, easy backstab damage.

Once you master Ast's moveset, you can kill him without a single hit. You can kill them both at the same time with practice and lucky boon drops.

[Nibbie]

Feels like a smooth curve of boss difficulty to me. They take second place in the sources of my death, last boss taking first, but they are the second hardest boss, so it makes sense. Once I learned how to beat them, I virtually never even lose a death defiance, let alone a run, to them. Even got a butterfly activation (no damage) against their hard version recently. With the bow, but still.

[[JRE] Joe Rogan]

Haha for a while Minotaur will be the true 'Final Boss' IMO especially in his EM form, he's way harder than the actual Final Boss.

[Donathan Cheadledge]

Elysium is a big difficulty jump in terms of boss fights. The final boss fight's first phase is actually kind of easier than the elysium boys.

But it's as others have said: Murder the minotaur first (gets easier once you've learned his moveset) then killing theseus is just a case of dodging the stuff then hitting him when his back's turned. That's the thing to remember: He essentially turns his back to you after doing literally anything, and that's the time to lay on the damage.

[Shady Fountain]

This fight tripped me up for a long time too. I usually start by pulling Asterius into the lower right, and try to stay on the outside of the arena. The pillars will offer you some cover from Theseus and you can work on whittling down Asterius's health. Just try to be patient and dodge, and then go in for attacks after he finishes his. Once he's taken care of, just try to keep a pillar between you and Theseus as much as possible (and enough distance to avoid his AOE) and go out for attacks after he throws his spear and turns around to walk away. At the very least this will hopefully keep you with enough health to deal with Theseus's calls if you're having trouble dodging them.

Also, I don't know what keepsake you have on you at this point, but as someone else mentioned, Eurydice's Acorn, especially upgraded, would probably be useful here. By the time you're at this fight I think it would save you from more damage than the health you'd get from the Lucky Tooth.

[meiam]

Wow this is like exact opposite to me, I don't think I've ever lost to elysium boss but elysium itself was my biggest hurdle when I started. I guess I generally go for high DPS build and just try to burn everything quickly, so either the build worked and I could clear it easily or it didn't and I'd die before reaching the boss.

Just drag the two apart, spear guy rarely move so you can just leave him off screen and hide behind a pillar while you kill bull. Then just keep doing hit and run on spear guy until he goes P2 and then use call to burn as much as possible, he should have maybe a quarter left at that point and just burn him down.

Plus I'll never let down my only fan.