This game is actually not fun, im about to stop playing

[Stone]

Got the game at like midnight last night. So on attempt 3, i made it to theseus and the minotaur. meg was pretty easy, the hydra was pretty easy. Theseus and the minotaur smashed me with absolutely no trouble.

I thought, hey this is a pretty cool game!

So now like 10 hours later, every single run, every single weapon, no matter what, has gone the same way, except that the earlier bosses are getting more difficult and more time consuming.

im completely losing interest in playing anymore. Running the first 2 areas over and over again is immensely boring and i'm basically out of things to buy at the mirror while not unlocking anything interesting anywhere else (wtf does titans blood do, the game still hasn't let me use it),

im actually getting weaker compared to the upgrades they keep giving early bosses, and I've figured out what im supposed to do on the theseus fight but i still die trying to dodge the circles on the ground in the moments while hes vulnerable. running around fighting the minotaur while dodging spears for an hour while i whittle down the health is not fun.


So since these forums seems pretty positive, someone explain to me why i should keep playing and not just give this a negative review and uninstall. How much longer til the game lets me past this wall, or is it all just needing to beat those guys to get anything new?

[chris.ferrantegerard]

Originally posted by Stone:

So on attempt 3, i made it to theseus and the minotaur. meg was pretty easy, the hydra was pretty easy. Theseus and the minotaur smashed me with absolutely no trouble.

Getting to third boss on only your third attempt is pretty good. Not surprising that they destroyed you, they're a pretty hard fight when you first start fighting them.

So now like 10 hours later, every single run, every single weapon, no matter what, has gone the same way, except that the earlier bosses are getting more difficult and more time consuming.

First two bosses don't get buffed to my knowledge. Meg fight stays the same, eventually you can also fight either of the other two sisters. I'd say Alecto is the hardest of the three. Hydra has several different versions of the main head's attack.

im completely losing interest in playing anymore. Running the first 2 areas over and over again is immensely boring and i'm basically out of things to buy at the mirror while not unlocking anything interesting anywhere else (wtf does titans blood do, the game still hasn't let me use it),

Titan's Blood is used to unlock and upgrade weapon aspects. Have you unlocked all the weapons yet with keys? I think you need to do that before you can start using Titan's Blood.

I've figured out what im supposed to do on the theseus fight but i still die trying to dodge the circles on the ground in the moments while hes vulnerable. running around fighting the minotaur while dodging spears for an hour while i whittle down the health is not fun.

Kite Minotaur away and kill him first. It will make Theseus much easier to manage. Then for Theseus dash behind pillar when he's targeting you, then dash back and hit his back. Rinse and repeat until he summons god buff. Then run around until the first wave finishes and repeat what you just did while also dodging the circles on the ground.

Have you gotten 3x Death Defiance yet? This will help at lot for the later bosses at this time.

So since these forums seems pretty positive, someone explain to me why i should keep playing and not just give this a negative review and uninstall.

I'm not going to recommend you play something you don't enjoy. Hades is a rogue-like, the general gameplay loop is to die a lot, get upgrades and learn attack patterns so you can avoid them. It takes ~20-30 runs to finish your first full clear usually. Once you've gotten a feel for the game 0 heat runs become pretty routine. The game style may just not be for you.

[ZirzoR]

Originally posted by Captain! Look!!:

(This is a work in progress response)

I've just recently picked up Hades again after the 1.0 release. (I used to have a hundred or so hours on a buddies account). So I'm pretty much in the same spot with you on the game.

Honestly if you're really stuck on these first few bosses. You can either take a break and approach the game with a new mindset. Or simply restart the save file if you truly find it that frustrating.

While there can be variations of a boss fight. Which essentially rework the same move with different patterns. There isn't anything in the game (Not until you beat the game a few times)
such as "Upgraded" bosses, you shouldn't be getting "Weaker" in comparison to the bosses.

As there is no present mechanic in the game which should be increasing the difficulty of each boss. Whether that be through damage, health, or buffed up attack patterns. Unless you're playing on Hellmode this whole entire time.

With this knowledge that the bosses don't actually become more powerful each run. I'm going to assume from you saying "While I whittle down the health"

The main issue you're having is the lack of consistency when it comes to using boons. Alongside perhaps not fully understanding how to use them in conjunction with game mechanics to create a strong build.

That's weird, cuz I was in the same boat but I beat it on a brand new save before escape attempt number 6, I hadn't played since blood price, and I had a measly 15 hours played at the time.

And mind you, that was during a shield run when I was just going for sunken treasure, bounty of the sea and vintage and stuff, just to get more resources, I barely had any offensive boons at all, I just had a single hammer for the bull rush. (Which basicly carried my run)

I just recommend that people learn how dash canceling works and how it improves flow in combat, there are plenty of youtubers and playthrough online by good players that use these techs and it makes the game so much easier when you know how to do it.

I also recommend people to unlock the codex for boons so you can look at it during boon selection to make builds more fluid, or simply use the chart that someone made online for all the boons and in what order they're supposed to be taken, since boons are somewhat important for getting through the game.

And yeah, against the 3rd boss, kill the minotaur first, so you can focus on the spears better, dance around pillars and dodge them or put the minotaur in the way so he hits him instead, its all about patterns and learning the moves, nothing else.

Try and only look at the environment while playing, just like in fighting games, focus only on looking at the opponents, eventually you can play like this without having to look at your character at all while playing high intense fights, which makes dodging stuff a lot easier.

[Stone]

Originally posted by chris.ferrantegerard:

Originally posted by Stone:

So on attempt 3, i made it to theseus and the minotaur. meg was pretty easy, the hydra was pretty easy. Theseus and the minotaur smashed me with absolutely no trouble.

Getting to third boss on only your third attempt is pretty good. Not surprising that they destroyed you, they're a pretty hard fight when you first start fighting them.

So now like 10 hours later, every single run, every single weapon, no matter what, has gone the same way, except that the earlier bosses are getting more difficult and more time consuming.

First two bosses don't get buffed to my knowledge. Meg fight stays the same, eventually you can also fight either of the other two sisters. I'd say Alecto is the hardest of the three. Hydra has several different versions of the main head's attack.

im completely losing interest in playing anymore. Running the first 2 areas over and over again is immensely boring and i'm basically out of things to buy at the mirror while not unlocking anything interesting anywhere else (wtf does titans blood do, the game still hasn't let me use it),

Titan's Blood is used to unlock and upgrade weapon aspects. Have you unlocked all the weapons yet with keys? I think you need to do that before you can start using Titan's Blood.

I've figured out what im supposed to do on the theseus fight but i still die trying to dodge the circles on the ground in the moments while hes vulnerable. running around fighting the minotaur while dodging spears for an hour while i whittle down the health is not fun.

Kite Minotaur away and kill him first. It will make Theseus much easier to manage. Then for Theseus dash behind pillar when he's targeting you, then dash back and hit his back. Rinse and repeat until he summons god buff. Then run around until the first wave finishes and repeat what you just did while also dodging the circles on the ground.

Have you gotten 3x Death Defiance yet? This will help at lot for the later bosses at this time.

So since these forums seems pretty positive, someone explain to me why i should keep playing and not just give this a negative review and uninstall.

I'm not going to recommend you play something you don't enjoy. Hades is a rogue-like, the general gameplay loop is to die a lot, get upgrades and learn attack patterns so you can avoid them. It takes ~20-30 runs to finish your first full clear usually. Once you've gotten a feel for the game 0 heat runs become pretty routine. The game style may just not be for you.

i was getting keys to unlock the last weapon but its slow. i was trying to use the keys for the mirror unlocks because i figured that was the best way to get stronger for the theseus fight.

But so what your saying is I have to grind more nonsense before the game actually gives me a way past this wall?
Am I really gonna have to run the first two floors til i get every weapon before i can actually reach the level of upgrades i need to get further?

that doesn't sound that thrilling tbh

[Scorpionbear]

I managed to beat the 3rd region on like my 5th or 6th time to them. It took me a while to figure out the strat, but once you do, you don't REALLY need much of anything but patience to do it. If you get some good boons, esp a strong Call like Aphrodite / Poseidon / Artemis, then it becomes pretty simple, since they chunk for almost half of one of their health bars.

[Ysen]

Originally posted by Stone:

im actually getting weaker compared to the upgrades they keep giving early bosses, and I've figured out what im supposed to do on the theseus fight but i still die trying to dodge the circles on the ground in the moments while hes vulnerable. running around fighting the minotaur while dodging spears for an hour while i whittle down the health is not fun.

The early bosses don't actually get any stronger. However, different variants of them may appear after some time - these can seem harder at first because you're not used to their patterns, but they're not really stronger, just different.

It's also easy to get sloppy if you're feeling frustrated and going in with a mindset of "why do I have to do this again" so it might be a good idea to take a break and come back in a day or two.

So since these forums seems pretty positive, someone explain to me why i should keep playing and not just give this a negative review and uninstall. How much longer til the game lets me past this wall, or is it all just needing to beat those guys to get anything new?

There's still a bunch of stuff you can unlock. You mentioned not knowing what Titan's Blood is for, so I assume you haven't unlocked all the weapons - you can do this with keys. Once you've done that you can then spend Titan's blood on unlocking and upgrading different versions of each weapon.

You can also continue to invest in mirror upgrades, underworld upgrades at the House Contractor, and get keepsakes by gifting nectar, without beating Theseus and Asterius. All of these things will help you get further.

EDIT: To be clear, you don't actually need any of the weapon upgrades to beat Theseus and Asterius, so don't worry about that too much. The first time I beat them I had no upgrades on my weapons, a bunch of mirror upgrades still locked, and hadn't maxed out all the mirror upgrades I did have access to. You just need to get used to their patterns, upgrades just give you a bit more margin for error.

If you're looking at stuff in the mirror to help you beat them, I'd say the most important are the extra dodge charge, extra max health, and more charges of death defiance.

[Robin]

From your description it seems something is missing in how you approach that fight, but I can't see what exactly. It sounds like you're saying the fight takes too long and you're dodging a lot which seems boring. So to me that sounds like you probably haven't figured out how to build properly perhaps.
Or maybe you're overestimating how often you gotta dodge a spear and hide behind a pillar when you don't need to, therefore not getting any damage in when you can?
Or the other way around where you keep hitting the boss when your windows for that is up and then geting hit by his attack that you then didn't/can't dodge.
All is hard to say without seeing how you actually play.

[Rage]

Mirror upgrade for max health is pretty helpful. Also get the ares cast and Theseus becomes a joke. Also you can always just turn on god mode if you don't mind a crutch.

[BassChamber]

You still have not experienced a mere 10% of the game. You sound salty because of being demolished by a boss fight. An easy one, BTW, you just have to learn their attack patterns and be a bit patient.

There is an easy mode you can activate in options anyways.

Boss fights are pretty well balanced in this game, the problem is in you.

[TyresTyco]

If you have trouble it seems like your build isnt effecitve for what you have problems with. If the third boss fight is a wall for you. Try to get boons that help you get through the hard parts. For example athenas deflect on dash and normal attack can make you pretty much invincible if you spam attack and dash properly.

The longer fights go.. the harder it gets since you cant heal outside of very certain stuff and fountains. So make yourself harder to kill.

[Zwiebelchen]

Of course it is pretty hard, because that early into the game, you can't have all the good talents in the mirror.

For Theseus and Asterios, the key really is to kite the minotaur around the pillars.

[Timbermaw]

Use god mode

[Livers]

Originally posted by Stone:

Got the game at like midnight last night. So on attempt 3, i made it to theseus and the minotaur. meg was pretty easy, the hydra was pretty easy. Theseus and the minotaur smashed me with absolutely no trouble.

I thought, hey this is a pretty cool game!

So now like 10 hours later, every single run, every single weapon, no matter what, has gone the same way, except that the earlier bosses are getting more difficult and more time consuming.

im completely losing interest in playing anymore. Running the first 2 areas over and over again is immensely boring and i'm basically out of things to buy at the mirror while not unlocking anything interesting anywhere else (wtf does titans blood do, the game still hasn't let me use it),

im actually getting weaker compared to the upgrades they keep giving early bosses, and I've figured out what im supposed to do on the theseus fight but i still die trying to dodge the circles on the ground in the moments while hes vulnerable. running around fighting the minotaur while dodging spears for an hour while i whittle down the health is not fun.


So since these forums seems pretty positive, someone explain to me why i should keep playing and not just give this a negative review and uninstall. How much longer til the game lets me past this wall, or is it all just needing to beat those guys to get anything new?

Nah man, you just have to git gud. If you can't git gud uninstall and play a game where you don't have to git gud. EZ

[Wintermute]

Originally posted by Timbermaw:

Use god mode

This. There is an easy mode for people who need it. It doesn't lock you out of anything, and can be turned back off any time.

[<:)]

"I can't adapt to this 1 single fight"
"the game must be bad"
big brain

[MozarteanChaos]

Originally posted by BassChamber:

You still have not experienced a mere 10% of the game. You sound salty because of being demolished by a boss fight. An easy one, BTW, you just have to learn their attack patterns and be a bit patient.

There is an easy mode you can activate in options anyways.

Boss fights are pretty well balanced in this game, the problem is in you.

no need to be rude, dude. being condescending to players that're having trouble doesn't help anyone, regardless of whether or not what you're saying is true.

anyway, OP, if you still find yourself unable to win, there's no shame in activating god mode, at the very least until you've gained some experience and resources. it's there for reasons, and one of those reasons is helping newer players get used to the game. it's okay to turn on easy mode if it helps you enjoy the game.