Was this Extreme measures final boss ever tested?

[Teal V2]

I mean, like seriously?
It is a thing that the geodata is so buggy, the lasers usually pass through the rocks you would use for cover, but those AOE attacks with their "are you serious?" hitboxes are another thing.
Just looking at them deals damage.

This 3rd round is the definition of chore without having any kind of enjoyment in it.
How this idea was even born? I have no words, really.

[Uli Minati]

Originally posted by Teal V2:

I mean, like seriously?
I have a lot of words, really.

FTFY

But seriously, this is just like any other boss - you learn to deal with them by trying again and again. 1. You get killed because you don't know their attacks. 2. You get killed because you don't know how to dodge their attacks. 3. You get killed because you failed to dodge their attacks. 4. You beat them. I would say you're at around 2-3 right now

[Teal V2]

Originally posted by Uli Minati:

Originally posted by Teal V2:

I mean, like seriously?
I have a lot of words, really.

FTFY

But seriously, this is just like any other boss - you learn to deal with them by trying again and again. 1. You get killed because you don't know their attacks. 2. You get killed because you don't know how to dodge their attacks. 3. You get killed because you failed to dodge their attacks. 4. You beat them. I would say you're at around 2-3 right now

I am still talking about the -especially- extreme measures final boss.
And even in that, the 3rd round.

I can consider myself happy with playing with a bow, but what a melee can do here at all?
You see nothing thanks to darkness, and the pots are everywhere just to make your life harder, and if it was no enough, Hades constantly regains his health, like 1500 / life regeneration move. He went for it 3 times in darkness, gaining 4500 health or so.
This is a real chore and not enjoyable at all.

[READ PALE]

I'm pretty sure AOE didn't change.

[Shamanalah]

TBH I forgot what weapon I tried it but I managed to kill him on my first go.

When he does the darkness I was just dashing around until I find him, takes like 1 sec and you just unleash dps on him.

Since it was my first time going against him I got 300 hp and 4 death defiance. I had 1 left at the end.

The new attacks are easier to dodge once you know them IMO. That's why I was able to adapt mid fight and survive. Now I can do regular REDACTED without using a single death defiance.

IDK, the fight wasn't that bad. I enjoyed it.

[Chaos]

Not sure what's your point.
It's supposed to be the "final" boss. So it makes sense it's really hard.

I got him on my 2nd try, but mainly because I knew which build to make to be "OP" and got all the boons and things I wanted, plus I reached it with 3 death defiance.

[Darth Bokeh]

Here's someone who no-hit it with Chiron:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivfm-vfi-lU

Having Greatest Reflex seems key. If Cerberus' carpet bombing always comes from the same direction, it looks like you can avoid it by repeatedly dashing toward the left

Demeter's call looks helpful since it covers such a massive area.
Her legendary would also help end the fight faster, if you can get it.

[Eibon]

Beat him with the shield first try. He stands perfectly still while being healed, thus letting you damage him while he does that. Or you can, you know, break the pots? Even if you don't have a damage on dash skill, you can either break them with a ranged attack or just attack them and immediately dash away.

Also, not sure what you mean by AOE attacks. The spear spin? The pots? The pulse waves added to the lasers? The skull waves? The phase transition waves? The Cerberus bombs?

All in all, felt the complete opposite - I thought the fight was pretty unironically epic when I did it.

[Nibbie]

I did it second try, was hard for sure but not impossible or anything. I've never enabled it since, but I could probably practice it enough to win it at least most of the time, the same way I beat regular Hades every time nowadays.

[Marmy]

beat him with the spear 3rd try(cause i didnt expect mini bosses to help him, i was so unprepared for that lol), when i lost him to darkness i'd use my artemis call or cast to find him, the call also makes doing damage while he's on regen really easy. you get through an entire mini stage with each ultimate call from artemis (or aphrodite) so i'd just hit the other enemies until my god gauge was filled and call upon artemis. it was incredibly easy with artemis(call & cast) poseidon(faster god gauge & 10sec rule) dionysos(fountains & "after party") demeter(no cast more damage) and athena(deflect & fuller god gauge) doing their best for me and i got out with 3 death defiances when i got in with 4, didnt even get to use my companion
(if you struggle with the pots get athena's deflect on your dashes, proof they're not a problem anymore) (the only lasers that go through everything are by the doomstone, just get rid of them quickly or just get through the mini stage with lord father hades quicker, they die when their mini stage ends)

[NPC_CO8ALT]

A bigger question is why the final boss is allowed to get his health back at all. Health regen on ANY boss is a cheap way to extend a fight, doing it for the FINAL boss is kind of a ♥♥♥♥ move. He already hits like a truck and has insane AOE, why exactly does he get free healing too? You can make a boss challenging without effectively resetting the fight midway through for no reason.

[Nelo]

Originally posted by Teal V2:

the lasers usually pass through the rocks you would use for cover

It does not. Isometric perspective is to blame here, but lasers do not penetrate hard covers

Originally posted by Teal V2:

AOE attacks with their "are you serious?" hitboxes are another thing.

Hades AOE as not changing with EM 4, timing changes. And the hitboxes are generally pretty fair.

Originally posted by Teal V2:

This 3rd round is the definition of chore without having any kind of enjoyment in it.

Didn’t you even hear the soundtrack? pumps me up to fight till the last breath. Thou darkness is a bit gimmicky

Originally posted by NPC_CO8ALT:

A bigger question is why the final boss is allowed to get his health back at all.

God of the dead can harvest the dead to restore himself, pretty reasonable. And Hades heals himself 1500 per tick, which is 2 seconds. Any decent build will stall his heath on the same level, while getting call charges like a madman.

Its not Isshin, bit is still really damn good

[DD The Pumpkin King]

I've won 3 times on a row, such a rush. I expect to fight a god. I hope he learns more moves.

If it's too much for you to handle, turn on god mode in options.

[Robin]

Btw you can cancel his heals. If you pay attention in the first or second phase when he starts doing his move, he will stand still and then one of the green pots will start glowing. If you kill the pot before the heal comes in he doesn't get the heal. He will heal from 3 different pots in succession, so if you kill the 3 pots before he gets the heal he won't heal at all.
(Or alternatively, as people suggested, if your build deals more damage in that time it's not an issue anyway)

[j0hnnyclaymore]

Is there a boss guide or something, I dont understand the ring, I did not even notice that he heals hisself up.

[Scorch Shot all Snipers]

if you're talking about the hitbox on the triple sweeps lingering for a few milliseconds i feel that.


otherwise though the game requires you to properly judge where the lasers are blocked by the pillars in a pseudo 2-d plane, if EM4 hades is too much to handle i recommend just getting athena call.