Fists suck. Any tips?

[Disco Lizard]

Hey. I have a problem with the fists weapon. I just can't finish the game with it (defeated last boss with all other weapons). I tried different build, AA build, Q build but the damage is still pathetic overall. Post Hydra bosses have such a high hp pool and it takes ages to kill them, the longer the fight, the more mistakes I'm willing to make. Maybe I am playing wrong with this weapon? Do you guys have any tips?

[Sharethepain]

The fists are the best weapon hands down for me. The attack applies dots really fast - go with hangover from Dionysus, you´ll apply full stacks in a split second. Go for longer range for attacks and the armor breaking cross dash with Daedalus hammer, it shreds every single armored enemy in a single hit. For special do Ares or Aphrodite, you´ll constantly have your enemies debuffed. Their third form is the best weapon in the game, at least for me, you can stack 12 hits and then use your special and it hits five times - This can apply 5 hangover dots from one special hit resulting in insane bleeds if you share it on your attack or alternatively do Aphrodite and you´ll nuke everything for eight hundred every three seconds whilst applying weakness.

[Disco Lizard]

I'm gonna try my luck with dot builds now, hope that helps so I can finally get my 10 bloods for finishing the co tract

[Washing Machine]

Works great with Doom and such due to fast hits.

Generally any weapon is good if you just focus one type of god, usual problem is dudes go all over the place picking random boons left and right. Most any skill you get becomes amazing if you just focus on it, for example Doom becomes insane once you get the perks where it stacks with itself and takes .5s longer to activate. I remember thinking that Ares' cast blade rift is awful, until I just kept picking every possible boon it comes with and the Demeter Duo came along, and the blade rifts just melted everything, including the final boss.

Base fists are pretty meh though, you want any one of the other aspects because all of them have way better special attack.

[Giraffeguin]

Fists is also one of my best weapons where I only really struggle in the Styx with all the poison rats (the longer range hammer upgrade can help). Along with the above advice, would say Zeus is a good choice too since its a flat increase in damage rather than % based. Since its small but fast attacks, flat increase is good.

I think one my best setups was something like Zeus Attack, Aphrodite Special, Dio Dash. Could dash in to get the hangover going, then mix in some jolt/weak for additional damage.Fists are really good at taking advantage of the mirror effect for extra damage against enemies with two+ status effects.
I like all the aspects of the fist.

Zagreus Aspect: Increased dodge, goes well with Hermes Plume runs. Combine the starting dodge, the plume, and Greater Evasion (Hermes boon) and you will get some high dodge/damage mitigation. I've had runs using this where I straight up stopped caring about trying to evade attacks and would just slug it out with the enemies and DPS burst them down before they could land enough hits on me.
I basically just throw my cast, dash in, spam a lot of attack, then hit special, throw cast, dash away and to the next victim, spam attack + special + more attack, etc repeat. Fists absolutely shred enemies when combine status effects with the mirror perk active.

Although I like this aspect, as poster above noted, all the other ones can output more DPS due to their unique specials.

Talos: The special pulls an enemy to you. Good for pulling pesky sorcerors or to finish off Elysium enemies etc.Its a fun one to use and the utility of being able to stay safe and pull enemies to you is nice.

Demeter: Poster above explained, this is the third form.

Hidden Aspect: The special on this one applies a unique status effect where enemies take additional damage while it is up, but also buffs them. Then it has a Doom-like effect and does a big burst of damage. It's a bit slower but heavier hitting. Since its a bit slower, Dio is not quite as good on this one as the other fists. Some kind of combination of Ares/Aphrodite probably good. I like Aphrodite to offset the buff you give enemies in case I accidentally mistime a move and get hit while it is up.

[Sharethepain]

I´ve actually managed to make even better build randomly with the hidden aspect, since it has like four or five quick dashes in a row which trigger dash damage, I had Poseidons dash which knocks away enemies, rupture that makes any knocked away enemies bleed, double damage for slams against walls and I dashed like eight times in a second and cleared every styx room in two seconds because everything slammed into walls there and died right away, also had Dionysus stack on attacks and ares on special. It did like two k in three seconds.

[Giraffeguin]

That sounds amazing haha, will have to try that out. Poseidon is one of my favorite dashes, it does help a lot in the Styx.

[Medicles]

Originally posted by Washing Machine:

Works great with Doom and such due to fast hits.

Generally any weapon is good if you just focus one type of god, usual problem is dudes go all over the place picking random boons left and right. Most any skill you get becomes amazing if you just focus on it, for example Doom becomes insane once you get the perks where it stacks with itself and takes .5s longer to activate. I remember thinking that Ares' cast blade rift is awful, until I just kept picking every possible boon it comes with and the Demeter Duo came along, and the blade rifts just melted everything, including the final boss.

Base fists are pretty meh though, you want any one of the other aspects because all of them have way better special attack.

Doom doesnt stack without a specific Ares boon though, so i wouldnt agree with doom being great because of fast hits.

[Washing Machine]

Ye but if you go for Doom, you should damn well focus on Ares until you get the stack boon. It's like picking Zeus attack but never pick any of the numerous Zeus boons that buff the lightning effect to hit multiple times or bounce more or jolt. You're just going to end up doing no damage at all if you don't stick to a build that'll work.

Worst mistake people do is pick dumb random passive skills and not focus on buffing their specific line of boons.

[Silentstorm]

fist are just the best weapon and one of the easiest... i did my fastest run with them.

I was with a crit build, with dash deflect, the crit was jumping on each mobs with the artemis boons... i did this run in like 19min... I was laughing while smashing my buttons litteraly

[Medicles]

Originally posted by Washing Machine:

Ye but if you go for Doom, you should damn well focus on Ares until you get the stack boon. It's like picking Zeus attack but never pick any of the numerous Zeus boons that buff the lightning effect to hit multiple times or bounce more or jolt. You're just going to end up doing no damage at all if you don't stick to a build that'll work.

Worst mistake people do is pick dumb random passive skills and not focus on buffing their specific line of boons.

That makes sense.

I have to carefully disagree with the statement that you have to focus on Ares though. As a main bow user, i like to have Ares on my attack but thats about it. Its too rng dependent if i try to go for Ares special and then doom stacks. Its usually enough to have Ares on attack and either Dionysus or Demeter on special to reach the end.

But, i am not in the end-game yet and havent tried much runs with the pact, so i dont know how boon choosing will be on extreme measures and such. Thats why i have to carefully disagree, because it may be possible that heavy focus on one god has to be done for proper end-game runs.

[Washing Machine]

It's weapon dependent what god works and what doesn't. Fists benefit a ton from status effects, while Bow I tend to try to go for all out damage on special (usually Chiron aspect) and barely pay attention to the normal attack.

For instance people love the health drain hammer on sword, but if you try to use that on the final aspect with ultra slow swings, you've done little more than handicap yourself with a -60% hp since the swings only heal 2 per hit anyway.

[Shamanalah]

Originally posted by Giraffeguin:

That sounds amazing haha, will have to try that out. Poseidon is one of my favorite dashes, it does help a lot in the Styx.

I had poseidon dash with the bonus damage when you ram people into the wall along with his normal attack knockback

I blasted through everything except bosses. It was just sooooo much fun dashing around and just dancing with people while ramming them into the wall. Def my fav build to ♥♥♥♥ around.

[Washing Machine]

Originally posted by Shamanalah:

Originally posted by Giraffeguin:

That sounds amazing haha, will have to try that out. Poseidon is one of my favorite dashes, it does help a lot in the Styx.

I had poseidon dash with the bonus damage when you ram people into the wall along with his normal attack knockback

I blasted through everything except bosses. It was just sooooo much fun dashing around and just dancing with people while ramming them into the wall. Def my fav build to ♥♥♥♥ around.

Yeh, Pose is a blast until you get to a boss and you're not doing any damage.

[MULTIPASS]

Originally posted by Washing Machine:

I remember thinking that Ares' cast blade rift is awful, until I just kept picking every possible boon it comes with and the Demeter Duo came along, and the blade rifts just melted everything, including the final boss.

FYI, for both Ares cast and Demeter cast you've got to get the Artemis duo that makes the cast track enemies quickly. It's insane how strong those casts can be if you have their upgrades and the Artemis duo.

[Tyriel]

For fists I usually go Zeus on attack due to its fast attack speed, the flat added damage is great (fists only do 15 and upgraded Zues can do 20-25, so about +150% more dmg). As it spreads its for clearing small enemies. (if you get the legendary its GG, it add +40 on each attack)

For hammer, the upgrade which gives +900% armor dmg on dash-attack also gives piercing which is great for Elysium, as piercing also goes through shield making the shielding enemies alot easier, same with the boss. This hammer shreads armor on enemies and is awsome.

Going for Demeter or Aphrodite on special is good when learning as it slows or reduce damage.
(also the Demeter/Zeus duo is very good with jolted - Cold Fusion). But as mentioned before Ares is also good on special.

For dash using Athena helps as it reflects atleast in the beginning when your still learning.
(Athena is also good for attack as it will reflect attacks when close to enemies).

Fist require some attention to placement, try to get behind enemies and an extra dash from hermis is realy good. The Zues boon which does dmg when dashing right before getting hit (Lightning Reflexes) will trigger alot with fists, as it trigger when your close to enemies or projectiles when dashing.

(fyi, you can also just hold down the attack button an just dash around trying to dodge and get into a good spot.)

Placement/movement is key with fists.