How many attempts did it take you to escape?

[Hoopy Frood Jay©]

So, I just finished attempt #34 without having successfully escaped so far. I'm curious to find out if that is normal or if I'm just a bad player

(and no, I'm neither salty nor frustrated, I LOVE this game)

Edit: thanks for your reports and suggestions. I managed to beat Hades on run #44, then struggled for a few runs, but now managed to beat him for four runs consecutively.

Hope you guys continue to have fun with the game. I'm sure I will.

[Light_Shifty_Z]

Publicado originalmente por Megakoresh:

I don't know if the RNG in this game is so bad, or are people simply lying (ofc people who say they beat the game "on 6th try with Rail" are lying since the rail cannot be unlocked so quickly).

But if even half of the people who say they beat the game on 10-20th attempt is true, then that means this is just like any other rougelight. 100% based on luck. For example I have been playing for 22 hours and on am currently on 38th run and I haven't beaten the game. Furthest I came was the final boss with Chaos shield, but it did so little damage that the fight took 12 minutes before he killed me and I didn't even reach second phase.

So don't feel bad about your skill if you can't beat the game. It's not the skill that matters. At least if the people posting these 10-20 runs to beat the game aren't lying.

PS: I can say that first time I played I went all the way to Hydra and after that I couldn't even get past Meg for 10 runs in a row. So I am inclined to believe that the game can be beaten in less than 20 attempts if you do get lucky enough.

I beat the game the first time on the 25th run. I'm not lying or exaggerating because that's what the game says in that scroll room when I look in the filing cabinet. Once I beat Hades the first time, I could use the same strategy to beat him again and again 3/4 of the time, I even did a 20 consecutive win run within 5 runs after my initial first win. Using a newly unlocked weapon, I was losing again and again as the previous tactics and boons were not working.

I think intelligent people can plan ahead and learn from mistakes and change strategies. A large part of it is working out which upgrades will be more valuable and so you are being more efficient with your resources. Wasting resources on upgrades that don't increase your survivability the most on the next run should be considered a failure.

People that don't beat Hades for a long time don't have an optimum plan or maybe aren't able to make logical decisions. Perhaps they don't even know what to look for to work out what is more valuable than other things and are left confused. Maybe they lack skill with a mouse and keyboard or perhaps their reaction times are slow. Perhaps a combination of all of the above. But Hades is not a hard game, what is hard is the fight against yourself and your individual ability to overcome. Some people obviously have a harder time than others.

[Cujo]

You can absolutely beat the game that quickly, took me 25 goes.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2648728820

I'm not even particularly good at the game. I have below average reaction times and my chosen strategy is to spam the sword and dash key like an excitable chimpanzee.

So I guess, just git gud?

[Megakoresh]

Publicado originalmente por Cujo:

You can absolutely beat the game that quickly, took me 25 goes.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2648728820

I'm not even particularly good at the game. I have below average reaction times and my chosen strategy is to spam the sword and dash key like an excitable chimpanzee.

So I guess, just git gud?

Well like I said - if you get lucky enough for a good build, you can beat the game quickly. I suppose also that requires learning which weapons and buffs have a good synergy. For instance I always took the weapon that had the +20% darkness instead of trying different buffs with the same one to see what works. That was likely a mistake. Also I have always been exceptionally unlucky in games. But the variation reported in this thread speaks for itself. If some people play for 50 runs before clearing for first time and some people do it in 15, then the effect of RNG is overwhelmingly larger than skill. If skill played a larger role than RNG, the success attempts would follow normal distribution.

Publicado originalmente por Light_Shifty_Z:

An interesting attempt at an insult

When discussing skill vs RNG, the people who have seen some success will obviously never admit that luck had anything to do with it. If you insinuate that it did, most instantly switch to toxic mode, start flaming and telling others to "git gud" or some other typical 15 year old sweaty teen gamer behaviour. Obviously nobody who hasn't been lucky enough to succeed early will make these claims all the same.

Publicado originalmente por Starakira:

Now where in my statement that beating Hades with zero boons are false?

Ok I didn't realize that ♥♥♥♥ like this counts. Still, though. You can pull by ear any evidence you want to support your claims like videos of people who have sunk 1000 hours into the game to optimize their builds to the point of doing more damage without buffs than I ever dealt with any buffs, or tell people to get good, but none of it will change the fact that Hades is a luck-first, skill-second game. And most people aren't gonna grind to get that level of upgrades.

[TheSwanDragon]

I'm going to step in and politely ask the people arguing about RNG to back off, and keep in mind the Steam Discussion Guidelines about attacking other members. If you'd like to politely discuss the role that RNG has in Hades, please move that to a new thread.

[Megakoresh]

Publicado originalmente por TheSwanDragon:

I'm going to step in and politely ask the people arguing about RNG to back off, and keep in mind the Steam Discussion Guidelines about attacking other members. If you'd like to politely discuss the role that RNG has in Hades, please move that to a new thread.

I am trying to help the game here. I actually quite like Hades and wouldn't want people who are stuck due to bad luck to falsely believe they are not ever getting better at the game.

Eventually bad luck streak will clear and they'll win because the skill does always improve. Those who claim that players who can't clear the game in sub-20 runs should feel bad about it (and consequently feel bad about playing the game) are damaging the whole game and community for the sake of their ego.

So my point is - if you cleared the game in sub-20 attempts or over 50, that's just luck. Don't feel bad about yourself.

[Light_Shifty_Z]

Publicado originalmente por Megakoresh:

Publicado originalmente por Light_Shifty_Z:

An interesting attempt at an insult

When discussing skill vs RNG, the people who have seen some success will obviously never admit that luck had anything to do with it.

That whole argument falls apart when it is demonstrable that the same tactic can and does win again and again. It's not luck if the tactic is repeatable and shows results and a win-rate of 75%

[Sintonir]

It took me ~50 tries to escape. I'd say like this: luck can make game easier or harder. Luck can even win your run - i mostly contribute my first success to it. But luck would never, or almost never, fail it.

[Empukris]

It is a single player game anyway, who cares how many attempt it took you. Although anything below 5 with a BLIND runs are totally unlikely. Blind means, no guide, no playthrough or watching videos with anything that basically show the mechanic, skills, boons or boss fight. If you are than that is what being lucky is. With guide? Anything below 10 is totally normal in my opinion.

[Nerrinas]

Took me a while to get used to the controls, and I think I finally beat Hades on my 35th run. However consecutively after that on my 40th, 41st, 42nd, 43rd and 44th run (My most recent run) I have reliably beaten him with no difficulty except the most recent run due to really poor damage output.

[♾]

Just cleared it! 14 tries in 2 days. Great game. :)
(Used the shield)

[Nashkatz]

Almost 40.
Took me a while to unlock all the "good stuff" plus I didn't follow a neat guide and had to figure out a build for myself:
shield > Athena's dash deflect > put everything into your shield throw (special), including damage upgrades (i.e. Daedalic Hammer) and a damage effect (in my case doom/Ares) and try to upgrade those as well.
You just dash around and keep spamming your special - it hits anything automatically almost all the time (try to aim a little). That goes for Hades, too. Stay away from him and his stupid urns and let your death razor do the work.

[Xaphnir]

Took me around 30 I think.

Then I completed 6 escapes in a row.

Wasn't playing better, just got luckier.

[kykex]

I'm not the best player when it comes to video games but i'm decent. Yet I succeeded only at attempt number... 84!!! And the worst is I haven't been able to escape a second time, i'm now at attempt 103... I don't understand, reading the comments, there must be something wrong with me? Or maybe i haven't understood the game?! I can't even get rewards anymore, even though my heat gauge is full... Argh I'm thinking about quitting

[Holy Fool Sehrael]

Publicado originalmente por kykex:

I'm not the best player when it comes to video games but i'm decent. Yet I succeeded only at attempt number... 84!!! And the worst is I haven't been able to escape a second time, i'm now at attempt 103... I don't understand, reading the comments, there must be something wrong with me? Or maybe i haven't understood the game?! I can't even get rewards anymore, even though my heat gauge is full... Argh I'm thinking about quitting

But what if it would've just been that one run you were about to commit to instead of quitting? That might be THE run. So you need to continue, otherwise you'll never know :P

[Local Jerk]

Publicado originalmente por kykex:

I'm not the best player when it comes to video games but i'm decent. Yet I succeeded only at attempt number... 84!!! And the worst is I haven't been able to escape a second time, i'm now at attempt 103... I don't understand, reading the comments, there must be something wrong with me? Or maybe i haven't understood the game?! I can't even get rewards anymore, even though my heat gauge is full... Argh I'm thinking about quitting

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