Hades
Dad Ninja BR Jun 24, 2020 @ 4:30pm
After update the game become less fun.
The game after update become more difficult and less fun (From Brazil)
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Gregor Jun 25, 2020 @ 4:04pm 
Originally posted by SuperCyclone:
The game is more difficult than before. I think its less fun. And less good gods and good blessings.

Mindset influences RNG. To me it's mostly a run of Epic boons a lot.
It's often, that I start out with 1 offering of purple and follow a purple streak until my run has ended.
I can't claim less boons either. I've got my last few runs 4-5 slots free of the slots presented in the final tab.
Charon is tough, though from my perspective, if I invest 2-3 Death Defiance into the fight in Tartarus it's been worth it.

From my perspective it's been a great update and some of the boons added are tremendous.
The Demeter Revenge boon is awesome! and Side Hustle makes the shops so much more approachable.
I do enjoy the New aspects as well, though Beowulf was something I've decided to play on 0 Heat as I've got it and was rewarded with a narrow victory.

For the fact of RNG. Meditation and clearing the own personality can help on things like Critrate, Dodgerate and whatever else is decided through these "Numerical" values and feel supported and not attacked by this post.
Dad Ninja BR Jun 25, 2020 @ 6:33pm 
Originally posted by Gregor:
Originally posted by SuperCyclone:
The game is more difficult than before. I think its less fun. And less good gods and good blessings.

Mindset influences RNG. To me it's mostly a run of Epic boons a lot.
It's often, that I start out with 1 offering of purple and follow a purple streak until my run has ended.
I can't claim less boons either. I've got my last few runs 4-5 slots free of the slots presented in the final tab.
Charon is tough, though from my perspective, if I invest 2-3 Death Defiance into the fight in Tartarus it's been worth it.

From my perspective it's been a great update and some of the boons added are tremendous.
The Demeter Revenge boon is awesome! and Side Hustle makes the shops so much more approachable.
I do enjoy the New aspects as well, though Beowulf was something I've decided to play on 0 Heat as I've got it and was rewarded with a narrow victory.

For the fact of RNG. Meditation and clearing the own personality can help on things like Critrate, Dodgerate and whatever else is decided through these "Numerical" values and feel supported and not attacked by this post.
I dont feel attacked by any post. Thanks for your comment.
Snow Jun 25, 2020 @ 7:02pm 
Anyone stating the game hasn't become more difficult is just plainly lying. I got to Hades regularly 7/10 runs with several hundreds of runs in two separate save-slots for a total of around 500 runs. Since update I haven't been there once while having put up somewhere between 30-50 runs so far since update. Had several runs with the same heat, same weapon, same basic build, not identical but basic idea and execution (there are more to choose from but with re-rolls and Keepsake it's still fairly consistent but obviously lower probability) except for with the Sword but then I've always sucked with the sword any aspect, just isn't for me - so in a sense that is also consistent. The only non-consistent variable is the new patch.

However if it's a bad thing or not is open to debate.

I personally as stated in the beginning wanted it a bit harder, it had become a mindless run through the underworld at a point, and the lore at that point was just repeats if any at all. However they didn't just make it a little harder they took it to a bit too far, as companies usually do when they listen too much to the hardcore fans since they are the ones being most vocal about it (I am not in the category of hardcore fan but just a fan), but stating it's just the RNG as some say is just making up excuses.

Do I still enjoy the game, ehh idk, still making up my mind to be honest, but the fact that I have to think about it makes it seem like I do; but to a lesser extent so far. The additions in themselves are fine, with a few exceptions but overall good. The ramp-up in difficulty, still under valuation.

Would I recommend the game to a friend before? Without a doubt!

Will I recommend the game to a friend currently?... I probably would but with certain precautions.
Dad Ninja BR Jun 25, 2020 @ 7:09pm 
Originally posted by Snow:
Anyone stating the game hasn't become more difficult is just plainly lying. I got to Hades regularly 7/10 runs with several hundreds of runs in two separate save-slots for a total of around 500 runs. Since update I haven't been there once while having put up somewhere between 30-50 runs so far since update. Had several runs with the same heat, same weapon, same basic build, not identical but basic idea and execution (there are more to choose from but with re-rolls and Keepsake it's still fairly consistent but obviously lower probability) except for with the Sword but then I've always sucked with the sword any aspect, just isn't for me - so in a sense that is also consistent. The only non-consistent variable is the new patch.

However if it's a bad thing or not is open to debate.

I personally as stated in the beginning wanted it a bit harder, it had become a mindless run through the underworld at a point, and the lore at that point was just repeats if any at all. However they didn't just make it a little harder they took it to a bit too far, as companies usually do when they listen too much to the hardcore fans since they are the ones being most vocal about it (I am not in the category of hardcore fan but just a fan), but stating it's just the RNG as some say is just making up excuses.

Do I still enjoy the game, ehh idk, still making up my mind to be honest, but the fact that I have to think about it makes it seem like I do; but to a lesser extent so far. The additions in themselves are fine, with a few exceptions but overall good. The ramp-up in difficulty, still under valuation.

Would I recommend the game to a friend before? Without a doubt!

Will I recommend the game to a friend currently?... I probably would but with certain precautions.
Finally someone who understand my perception and think in the same way. Only players who played this game A LOT and defeated Hades many times, can tell and feel the same experience I have.
The game its more difficult (if the game have before your difficult 60-100, now have 90-100). And blessings useless and the best blessings not apear to me again.
Nice commentary man.
Last edited by Dad Ninja BR; Jun 25, 2020 @ 7:10pm
Gregor Jun 25, 2020 @ 7:16pm 
Originally posted by Snow:
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I'll quote you to make you aware of it.

got a question.

What ended your runs ?

Was it you failing at Hades ? or was it new aspects not piloted well ?
High Heat with exceptional punishing mechanics?
Or was it the new optional boss who actually rips quite easily through you, if you missplay just a bit, since with 100HP and 3 Death defiance, you'd be allowed like 7 hits on max HP before having been defeated by it.

And to make a thing more clear RNG is a personal thing and influenced through conciousness.

So people will create differenting experiences, if RNG is within the pattern.
Dad Ninja BR Jun 25, 2020 @ 7:21pm 
What is RNG? I'm brazilian and my english is bad.
Gregor Jun 25, 2020 @ 7:31pm 
Originally posted by SuperCyclone:
What is RNG? I'm brazilian and my english is bad.

Random Number Generator or Random Number Generation, often the first.
Gregor Jun 25, 2020 @ 7:32pm 
Originally posted by SuperCyclone:
What is RNG? I'm brazilian and my english is bad.

For Example , let's accept you got 2% critrate, practically it either does or doesn't crit, so you could practically have 200 crits in a row on 2% critrate though highly unlikely not impossible mathematically or 200 hits and no crit.
Last edited by Gregor; Jun 25, 2020 @ 7:32pm
As someone who just bought the game the day the update dropped i have no comparaison but what ive seen from streams and videos in the past. In the 11 hours ive played ive reached the last boss and seen every different god there is. So in the 11 hours i played i had to fully learn the game and discover all of its mechanics and yet im ready to say that this game is from far hard. It really just feel like people winning about getting unlucky.
Human Jerky Jun 25, 2020 @ 8:59pm 
Originally posted by SuperCyclone:
What is RNG? I'm brazilian and my english is bad.

Random Number Generator. It's what influences what gates and items you get.
Snow Jun 25, 2020 @ 9:05pm 
Originally posted by Gregor:
Originally posted by Snow:
....


I'll quote you to make you aware of it.

got a question.

What ended your runs ?

Was it you failing at Hades ? or was it new aspects not piloted well ?
High Heat with exceptional punishing mechanics?
Or was it the new optional boss who actually rips quite easily through you, if you missplay just a bit, since with 100HP and 3 Death defiance, you'd be allowed like 7 hits on max HP before having been defeated by it.

And to make a thing more clear RNG is a personal thing and influenced through conciousness.

So people will create differenting experiences, if RNG is within the pattern.
Sure happy to supply you with some answers.

Never got to Hades since update (I think I mentioned it in the previous post) got the furthest to Cerberus since update so far. That particular run ended iirc to a faster then normal lazor-lock (almost instant which at the same heat before was fast but not almost instant), likely even if I gotten to Hades I'd lost to him during the 1st phase but gone flawless against him before so who'd know. I've had some runs with new aspects and as they are new to me I piloted a few runs badly with them, I never expected to master them directly so I actually disregard those runs for when comparing difficulty since it wouldn't be a fair to judge those runs to known and controlled setups+aspects runs.

Same heat as before (I think I also stated that in my previous comment, are you sure you read my previous comment? :) ) when comparing Weapon+boons+keepsakes that I actually take into account to be objective.

Been trashed by the new mini-bosses three times total iirc, the teleporting person(I'm bad with names) twice then learned his movement and since then rarely been hit, and the Lazernet (again name escape me) once, his mechanic was self-evident after first failure.

RNG is personal as in how it effects individuals game, that I agree with since that is self-evident, however the conciousness part of which you refer to is a psychological effect of perceived RNG and does not actually effect numbers. Math is the same whether you like it or not 1% is still 1% the fact that you might not be getting that 1% in even 100 attempts doesn't make it less then 1%, anyone that knows anything about RNG and not just throwing it out as a lazy argument knows that...That's just math and I've been having that conversation far to many times with people that doesn't understand math and particular probability in other games which has far more RNG associated with them.

Now to establish RNG to any degree of certainty you need a very large sample-size and that is not actually achievable within the release of the update and now. Further more would a control sample (i.e. previous patch statistics of equal size be required) to establish the effects of the difficulty increase as RNG. Now I could just say that to shut down all the people that claim RNG as the reason, but where is the fun in that? This is suppose to be a discussion after all.

My comment still stands. The game has gotten harder when compared to before patch, it isn't just an RNG issue not even a perceived one at that.

Hope my answers were of use to you
Human Jerky Jun 25, 2020 @ 9:07pm 
Originally posted by 🦈Shy🦈:
As someone who just bought the game the day the update dropped i have no comparaison but what ive seen from streams and videos in the past. In the 11 hours ive played ive reached the last boss and seen every different god there is. So in the 11 hours i played i had to fully learn the game and discover all of its mechanics and yet im ready to say that this game is from far hard. It really just feel like people winning about getting unlucky.

Ehh. Yes and no. You can def get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ on a run or two like the guy said. To speak to his main point, has the game become more conservative with the amount of high tier boons you get is hard to say. These are influenced by both the RNG as well as upgrades you get in the Mirror. Other things influence the difficulty of the game, for example when the game first released on Epic Game Store the blade rifts left behind by the Ares dash power up were noticeably larger than they are today. This makes the game harder because less screen space is taken up, meaning shades can leave the damaging area more quickly, resulting in less damage dealt.

I don't know if the game has factually gotten more stingy with high tier boons(I'm assuming he means the favorable boons under high heat condition, rather than ones of increased rarity) as that's an incredibly difficult thing to track without having their seeding and coding in front of us, but I have some doubt this is the case.
Last edited by Human Jerky; Jun 25, 2020 @ 9:08pm
Gregor Jun 25, 2020 @ 9:25pm 
Originally posted by Snow:
RNG is personal as in how it effects individuals game, that I agree with since that is self-evident, however the conciousness part of which you refer to is a psychological effect of perceived RNG and does not actually effect numbers. Math is the same whether you like it or not 1% is still 1% the fact that you might not be getting that 1% in even 100 attempts doesn't make it less then 1%, anyone that knows anything about RNG and not just throwing it out as a lazy argument knows that...That's just math and I've been having that conversation far to many times with people that doesn't understand math and particular probability in other games which has far more RNG associated with them.

You might consider it uninfluencable, though in different experiments with Random Number Generators with an outcome between 1 to 1000 where you place a person next to the generator and ask it to influence it to above or below 500 the results in destribution are going more towards the tended goal then that it's a random destribution, there are also different experiments where it's been proven that the time in which radioactive material does dissolve/react and changes its proportions is influenceable by conciousness.

There are many good indicators that conciousness is in fact a physical force.

I gladly recall the wording: Conciousness is a nonlocal phenomen. (This one is coming from a person who was part of the team at the Stanford Research institute that evolved "Remote Viewing" as a technique.) (If I'd recall that name....)
So it's practically possible to change the outcomes through a mindset.
If that's graspable to the individium what it's capable of compared to that it's just doing is a different subject, just curious.
Some lines of yours had indication of confidence and doubt at the same time, that could be like an underlying factor to failure.

Same heat is not automatically same choices on the pacts of punishment.

That new miniboss you mention, I'm quite confident I've never managed to complete it without at least several hits taken, it's a real terror to be fair, though the damage isn't to high with the agreements I've taken on the pact while encountering it.
Gregor Jun 25, 2020 @ 9:29pm 
Originally posted by Monkey King:
I don't know if the game has factually gotten more stingy with high tier boons(I'm assuming he means the favorable boons under high heat condition, rather than ones of increased rarity) as that's an incredibly difficult thing to track without having their seeding and coding in front of us, but I have some doubt this is the case.

It often felt to me, that I get lesser rarity boons as soon as I go away from choosing the highest rarity boon of the collection, also in the Trial of the Gods, it seems to have an underlying idea of how to speak to whom and who is to be met in which order.
Dragoon Jun 25, 2020 @ 10:02pm 
I haven't played the game for a month.
Started playing it with the new update and managed to make it to Hades with the Rail after about six runs.

I lost in the second phase but that was due to several mistakes made by myself.

Maybe others find the game to be more difficult but I personally don't.

#JustDragoon'sThoughts
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