Is it me or are a lot of boons bad?

[Forblaze]

I'm not really sure why Aphrodite exists at all. I obviously don't want to be getting hit, so why would I invest in the boons and then the time setting up the status effects to make enemies deal less damage?

Demeter's chill doesn't seem to affect attacks and needs a lot of stacks. Even an unupgraded dash makes you mobile enough to kite everything, and I struggle to find myself in situations where I can attack something 10 times but still need to keep it at a distance.

Athena's Deflect doesn't actually offer that much utility. Exposed is good, but needs a lot of investment for what it is.

Hermes is a bit of a 50/50. The extra dashes are good for invul frames, and +attack speed and +move speed are good, but I don't really care for the best. I guess all of his cast stuff would be useful for some cast build, but that's a lot of investment for a build that isn't guaranteed to even come online.

[lifetake]

Aphrodite boons offer the biggest percent dmg increase. As well she has great duo boons with Dio and Artemis revolving around her weak debuff which are great. As well since her debuff is standard on her tier 1 boons its great for privileged status.

Demeter's chill is the best curse for privileged status in the game. As well giving more utility then you think. While getting to 10 stacks might be hard for some weapons. It is really easy for fist and gun. And medium for Shield and bow.

Athena deflect gives you additional I frames it great. As well Athena attack with the fist is great and with the extra attack on your attack combo is near impenetrable by enemy attacks except with aoe.

Hermes is hit or miss but he also not a normal god and is just there for support. And you give way less credit for the cast stuff then you should. That stuff is great for cast builds and still okay for a non cast build as it still makes you shoot faster to allow you to get the stone lodged in for the 50% dmg bonus or slow on the enemy which is great. But yea dash is easily the most versatile and best boon from him.

Lastly, not everything is supposed to be good. Some gods are good at some thing and bad at others. That creates the balance in the game.

edit* it kinda seems like you need to experience the game more and the multiple synergies and builds that exist in the game. Because the combat is actually really in depth. So I highly suggest playing more

[Forblaze]

Originally posted by lifetake:

Aphrodite boons offer the biggest percent dmg increase. As well she has great duo boons with Dio and Artemis revolving around her weak debuff which are great. As well since her debuff is standard on her tier 1 boons its great for privileged status.

How do you get extra damage out of Weak?

Originally posted by lifetake:

Demeter's chill is the best curse for privileged status in the game. As well giving more utility then you think. While getting to 10 stacks might be hard for some weapons. It is really easy for fist and gun. And medium for Shield and bow.

Why is this? Duration?

[lifetake]

Originally posted by Forblaze:

How do you get extra damage out of Weak?

Aphrodite boons have the highest percent dmg increase in general. As well Sweet surrender makes it so weak enemies take more dmg. Plus her duos make it so your crits deal more dmg to weak enemies and you can stack more hangover on a weak enemy. Lastly Privileged status

Originally posted by Forblaze:

Why is this? Duration?

Duration that is double or more any thing else that is connected to a tier 1 boon and tied with Athena exposed(a secondary boon you need to obtain) and only beaten by duo boons. And being a debuff connected to the tier 1 boon in general is just good.

[Crater]

"How do you get extra damage out of Weak?"

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Aphrodite

You'd think if you're going to post on a forum remarking on boon balancing that you'd have enough knowledge about the boons first.

For Demeter:

I have no idea what you mean. Slowing enemies is crazy good + either of her tier 2 boons are amazing. Chill is the best curse for doubling curses for the privileged status damage multiplier.

Athena:

How is deflecting not a utility? Define "not much utility"? I'm not even trying to argue, I just don't see what you mean. Compared to what? What's the standard?

Hermes:

So you say he has good boons but you don't care for the rest. That's not an argument for their being bad though. Like yeah I'd pick extra dashes over sped up specials most of the time, but it's still situational.

[lifetake]

Originally posted by Andy:

"How do you get extra damage out of Weak?"

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Aphrodite

You'd think if you're going to post on a forum remarking on boon balancing that you'd have enough knowledge about the boons first.

Well not everyone wants to look at wikis for the game they're playing. And it is his opinion. Personally be both think he's wrong list of reasons we gave. He can post his opinion and get discussion from it and improve from that. He doesn't necesaarily have to research to do this.

[Forblaze]

Originally posted by Andy:

For Demeter:

I have no idea what you mean. Slowing enemies is crazy good + either of her tier 2 boons are amazing. Chill is the best curse for doubling curses for the privileged status damage multiplier.

What makes slowing enemies so good? Is the goal to CC rooms or individual enemies? As I see it, it isn't really CC if they can still attack the exact same way as before. Maybe if the slow built up to closer to 75% so it worked more like a root it would be more attractive.

Originally posted by Andy:

Athena:

How is deflecting not a utility? Define "not much utility"? I'm not even trying to argue, I just don't see what you mean. Compared to what? What's the standard?

Compared to just invulnerability frames I guess. Dashes are so available and generous.

Originally posted by Andy:

Hermes:

So you say he has good boons but you don't care for the rest. That's not an argument for their being bad though. Like yeah I'd pick extra dashes over sped up specials most of the time, but it's still situational.

I kind of grouped everything into specific gods because I was thinking how I feel when I see that god's token (or whatever the word is) as a potential reward. I'd probably even take coins over a Hermes token because there's just too much of a chance of getting something bad like +dodge after a call or +speed after a dash.

Originally posted by Andy:

You'd think if you're going to post on a forum remarking on boon balancing that you'd have enough knowledge about the boons first.

Sorry for hurting your feelings.

[C4RNIVOR3]

OP question, what's the highest heat you've played? I feel it's really odd you're asking what the merit in slowing enemies is, unless you've only played low heat

[Forblaze]

Originally posted by C4RNIVOR3:

OP question, what's the highest heat you've played? I feel it's really odd you're asking what the merit in slowing enemies is, unless you've only played low heat

I finished heat 0 with all of the weapons and heat 1 with just the sword. I have 30 or so attempts so far.

[lifetake]

Originally posted by Forblaze:

Originally posted by Andy:

You'd think if you're going to post on a forum remarking on boon balancing that you'd have enough knowledge about the boons first.

Sorry for hurting your feelings.

Perfect response

[C4RNIVOR3]

That explains a lot. I think you'll find status effects a lot more useful as you rise through heat ranks.

[Crater]

Originally posted by lifetake:

Originally posted by Andy:

"How do you get extra damage out of Weak?"

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Aphrodite

You'd think if you're going to post on a forum remarking on boon balancing that you'd have enough knowledge about the boons first.

Well not everyone wants to look at wikis for the game they're playing. And it is his opinion. Personally be both think he's wrong list of reasons we gave. He can post his opinion and get discussion from it and improve from that. He doesn't necesaarily have to research to do this.

That’s a pretty bad misunderstanding of my point. If what you took away was that I’m telling him to do “research” you are wrong. The point was that he should know the boons before laying out a critique. The wiki is just a link for him to consider doing that, since apparently he isn’t familiar with the boons from in game.

Originally posted by lifetake:

Originally posted by Forblaze:

Sorry for hurting your feelings.

Perfect response

I find it amusing you’re that upset by the suggestion that knowledge about game mechanics is a prerequisite for meaningful criticism.

[lifetake]

Originally posted by Andy:

Originally posted by lifetake:

Well not everyone wants to look at wikis for the game they're playing. And it is his opinion. Personally be both think he's wrong list of reasons we gave. He can post his opinion and get discussion from it and improve from that. He doesn't necesaarily have to research to do this.

That’s a pretty bad misunderstanding of my point. If what you took away was that I’m telling him to do “research” you are wrong. The point was that he should know the boons before laying out a critique. The wiki is just a link for him to consider doing that, since apparently he isn’t familiar with the boons from in game.

Originally posted by lifetake:

Perfect response

I find it amusing you’re that upset by the suggestion that knowledge about game mechanics is a prerequisite for meaningful criticism.

He criticize the game like a question. He gave his opinions on a few boons. This is a perfectly valid way to learn more into the game. One doesn't have to research the game whether by playing more or the wiki to ask a question. He thinks these boons are bad at his current state in the game. His question do other people feel this way?

So I believe you are mistaken in thinking his questioning opinion requires far research into the game.

[squat_instructor]

I was in a similar position early on and could not for my life figure out certain gods, like Ares. It does take some experience with the game to see the usefulness of some gods and their themed abilities.

As said above Aphrodite is worth for that flat damage increase alone and amazing duos. Consider her status effect a small cherry on top of that.

Charging Demeters Arctic Blast should not always rely on your weapon (obviously if you can stack it quickly with the weapon it's absurdly powerful), her call is quite good for it as well. If you have both you will basically melt everything in seconds. She offers healing utility and her status is one of the best for its passive benefit alone. Great duos with Dionysus, Zeus.

With Athena you want deflect on your dash, it's not as good on attack/special. She is also the only god that can provide up to 2 Death Defiance replenishes. Great duos with Artemis, Ares. Decent utility duo with Aphrodite.

Just play and experiment some more and it will click for sure.

[lifetake]

Originally posted by Sailor_seller:

I was in a similar position early on and could not for my life figure out certain gods, like Ares. It does take some experience with the game to see the usefulness of some gods and their themed abilities.

As said above Aphrodite is worth for that flat damage increase alone and amazing duos. Consider her status effect a small cherry on top of that.

Charging Demeters Arctic Blast should not always rely on your weapon (obviously if you can stack it quickly with the weapon it's absurdly powerful), her call is quite good for it as well. If you have both you will basically melt everything in seconds. She offers healing utility and her status is one of the best for its passive benefit alone. Great duos with Dionysus, Zeus.

With Athena you want deflect on your dash, it's not as good on attack/special. She is also the only god that can provide up to 2 Death Defiance replenishes. Great duos with Artemis, Ares. Decent utility duo with Aphrodite.

Just play and experiment some more and it will click for sure.

Athena attack on fists is the only time I'd say Athena attack is really good.

[kakugo]

I think the problem is not so much the boons themselves: it's how they appear. You always get either three great ones (have to pick only one) or three crummy ones (have to pick one anyway). ;-)