Was Guan Yu a vampire or something

[Kott Vakkenhoff]

Cause I don't get his aspect, thematically. Seems like it should almost do the opposite since he was a big beefman

[Kott Vakkenhoff]

Originally posted by Jacobella:

Originally posted by There's my chippy:

The tankish Arthur aspect is out. Parts of it would have fit Guan Yu well but I guess they wouldn't want to release two tankish aspects twice in a row.

Are you saying they will change it in the future?

Seems possible!

[Ham]

I think it makes sense. Guan yu was supposedly unstoppable in combat. Having a lot of hitpoints would make you durable, but you'll go down eventually after a long enough time. Having the ability to constantly regenerate hitpoints through fighting (in spite of having fewer to store) would make you a lot more unstoppable in combat, by comparison.

recovering hitpoints while fighting makes it seem like they're saying "guan yu was energized by combat" which seems fitting enough to me.

[Lord Nightcrest]

I was under the impression that this aspect was inspired by SMITE's Guan Yu rather than the myth itself. There are plenty of parallels between the two.

[itssirtou]

I mean, who actually WOULD fit that weapon idea of glass cannon lifeleach?

Sometimes it's about the theme, sometimes it's about the mechanics. In this case they had an idea for a weapon an idea for a theme and connected the two.

[Kott Vakkenhoff]

Originally posted by itssirtou:

I mean, who actually WOULD fit that weapon idea of glass cannon lifeleach?

Sometimes it's about the theme, sometimes it's about the mechanics. In this case they had an idea for a weapon an idea for a theme and connected the two.

It'd fit as an Aspect of Charon

I think you're right that they basically matched up two unconnected ideas though. To me that's essentially the problem. Not a huge one, though, I guess.

[Kuraeshin]

The name of the polearm is Guandao. His specific weapon was called Black Dragon (or a translated version). He was also a skilled archer and a man of extreme honor, so much so that after he was captured by Cao Cao after what he thought was the death of Liu Bei and Zhang Fei, he was given a position in Cao Cao's kingdom. He served faithfully, but once he found Liu Bei was alive, told Cao Cao that he must leave and return to his brother. Cao Cao found his devotion to his brother, after being offered great wealth, so touching that he was allowed to leave.

As for his weapon, he was renowned for being skilled enough at fighting that he wasn't hit and seemed to have endless stamina. A lower HP (forcing you to not be hit) with HP recovery (simulating endless stamina). If you want a Chinese hero from the Romance of the Three Kingdoms era that would raise HP, it would be Zhang Fei or Lu Bu. Both would basically need a rage mechanic, growing more powerful with damage or kills.

[Ambassador of Benevolence]

Anyone have an opinion about the instrumental noises that accompany the spear? They made me cringe when I heard them, since I associate those (contextually, as an American) with simple-minded (sometimes racist) appropriation.

And like, is the special supposed to be a "firework throw" or something? That's also kind of uncomfortable.

I'm sure this wasn't the design process, and hopefully other people aren't distracted like I am by wondering if it's boring-level racism.

[Jacobella]

Originally posted by Ambassador of Benevolence:

Anyone have an opinion about the instrumental noises that accompany the spear? They made me cringe when I heard them, since I associate those (contextually, as an American) with simple-minded (sometimes racist) appropriation.

And like, is the special supposed to be a "firework throw" or something? That's also kind of uncomfortable.

I'm sure this wasn't the design process, and hopefully other people aren't distracted like I am by wondering if it's boring-level racism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X2Zc9rCTH8

[Kott Vakkenhoff]

Originally posted by Kuraeshin:

The name of the polearm is Guandao. His specific weapon was called Black Dragon (or a translated version). He was also a skilled archer and a man of extreme honor, so much so that after he was captured by Cao Cao after what he thought was the death of Liu Bei and Zhang Fei, he was given a position in Cao Cao's kingdom. He served faithfully, but once he found Liu Bei was alive, told Cao Cao that he must leave and return to his brother. Cao Cao found his devotion to his brother, after being offered great wealth, so touching that he was allowed to leave.

As for his weapon, he was renowned for being skilled enough at fighting that he wasn't hit and seemed to have endless stamina. A lower HP (forcing you to not be hit) with HP recovery (simulating endless stamina). If you want a Chinese hero from the Romance of the Three Kingdoms era that would raise HP, it would be Zhang Fei or Lu Bu. Both would basically need a rage mechanic, growing more powerful with damage or kills.

If you don't get hit you don't heal off hits....

[Bopple]

Originally posted by Ambassador of Benevolence:

Anyone have an opinion about the instrumental noises that accompany the spear?

Yeah, it is very annoying and disturbing. It needs a 'fix'.

[Kletian999]

Originally posted by Ambassador of Benevolence:

Anyone have an opinion about the instrumental noises that accompany the spear? They made me cringe when I heard them, since I associate those (contextually, as an American) with simple-minded (sometimes racist) appropriation.

And like, is the special supposed to be a "firework throw" or something? That's also kind of uncomfortable.

I'm sure this wasn't the design process, and hopefully other people aren't distracted like I am by wondering if it's boring-level racism.

Not every reference to a culture and author is not part of is "racist", "appropriation", or any other outrage buzzword. Art is about picking up inspirations from all parts of life and shaping them into something newer. Until the industry gets the chance that every nation has thriving development studios, it's either cross cultural references or basically zero representation outside of 1st world western nations and the ancient cultures that inspired them.

You are an American. Have you ever asked an east asian person (assuming you aren't one yourself) whether tones from that classical eastern instrument or an allusion to firework spears (Like Disney's Mulan) was harmful or otherwise unpleasent to them? It'd be one thing if there was a weapon referencing a Native American and alluding to "firewater" or "gambling" in some way; but how in the world is fireworks and music in any way a harmful stereotype of Chinese people and their ancient culture.

[Ambassador of Benevolence]

Not every reference to a culture and author is not part of is "racist", "appropriation", or any other outrage buzzword. Art is about picking up inspirations from all parts of life and shaping them into something newer. Until the industry gets the chance that every nation has thriving development studios, it's either cross cultural references or basically zero representation outside of 1st world western nations and the ancient cultures that inspired them.

You are an American. Have you ever asked an east asian person (assuming you aren't one yourself) whether tones from that classical eastern instrument or an allusion to firework spears (Like Disney's Mulan) was harmful or otherwise unpleasent to them? It'd be one thing if there was a weapon referencing a Native American and alluding to "firewater" or "gambling" in some way; but how in the world is fireworks and music in any way a harmful stereotype of Chinese people and their ancient culture.

Of course I've talked to my Asian-American friends and Chinese friends about their experiences with American stereotypes, which have all emerged from deeply racist history. My friends universally dislike poorly deployed stereotypes that take the most accessible, obvious, and hand-me-down stereotype available ('fireworks') and substitute that for interesting inspiration.

For instance, if all someone knows about contemporary China or Chinese history is 'fireworks,' you're not going to get a whole lot of inspiration out of it.

In this case, it's awkward and not a huge deal, and I was just curious what other people thought about it. (But, for instance, it's not like you pick up the Aspect of Achilles and you have a little lyre strum when you swing it.)

[Jacobella]

Originally posted by Ambassador of Benevolence:

I was just curious what other people thought about it.

I don't care

I had an asian gf and her ringtone and notification sound on my phone was the oriental riff

She thought that was hilarious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdzoCmpdjAw

[Kott Vakkenhoff]

Side note - I was curious about the origin of the "asian jingle." Here is what I came up with

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriental_riff

The Oriental riff is a Western invention,[2] dating back to the "Aladdin Quick Step" used in an Aladdin stage show, The Grand Chinese Spectacle of Aladdin or The Wonderful Lamp, in 1847.[3][4] The notes used in the riff are part of a pentatonic scale and often harmonized with parallel open fourths, which makes the riff sound like East Asian music to a typical Western listener.