Rank the Gods and their Boons

[BARBUTA]

I havent much time to delve into the game yet so far but all the Gods seem pretty nicely balanced so I would be fun and interesting to see how people would rank the Gods.

My personal ranking from around 8 hours of playtime and getting to the final boss once would be:

1. Athena. Deflect just ♥♥♥♥ing rules.
   
2. Artemis. I've always loved crit builds in games.
   
3. Hermes. Can never go wrong with his boons.
   
4. Chaos. More jack of all trades boons.
   
5. Dionysus. DoT is pretty fun.
   
6. Poseidon. Knocking back stuff is pretty good for melee builds.
   
7. Aphrodite. Okay I guess? Havent had much experience with her.
   
8. Ares. Feels underwhelming overall.
   
9. Zeus. Dont have much experience with his Boons. Felt rather boring.

[iHALAMADRID!]

itssirtou a écrit :

50 runs in:

Dionysus: Best damage boons (imo) and After Party. I get Hangover Attack on anything that isn't a bow and I consider bosses handled.

Chaos: Bloodstones and cash bonuses make runs. Has something for pretty much any build. Just don't take Self Harm Attack before a boss and you're fine.

Athena: Deflect makes runs so much simpler, especially if you suck at bullet hells like I do. Also replenishes Death Defiances.

Aphrodite: Kinda single minded. Weak, weak does this, weak does that, weak lasts longer... Kinda the brute force god. She has the highest % damage buffs and lots of survive-ability through weak, health boost, reduced damage from close enemies (looking at you, 40 damage spin in the final boss fight). Also apparently you can spam her cast without it sticking if you do it right. Given it's silly high damage output that's amazing.

Demeter: Her slows work on the attack animations, making reacting so much easier. Rare Crop can send a decent run into amazing, and her duo boons are... kinda OP.

Artemis: Crit in this game is... not amazing. She gives low crit chances and low damage buffs. Even the best crit build fails to keep up with a decent build. Decent with the crit sword and bow but... Great Call tho, I never get tired of popping a boss with it. HOWEVER she has AMAZING cast synergies and a solid cast on her own. And her dash boon is one of the better ones as well

Hermes: Once my favorite, has been falling pretty hard in my rankings the more I play. More dashes is great, Bloodstones dropping faster are *usually* good... that's about it.

Ares: Best call. Invuln AND damage? Sign me up. Best attack buff for the Bow as far as pure damage is concerned. His duo with Artemis is practically auto win. Most of the rest of his stuff is really situational and/or synergies that aren't worth the boon slot.

Poseidon: DAMN is he fun. Makes rooms easier, but sucks against bosses. However bosses are the hard part :\ And I NEVER get his loot buff in Tartarus!

Zeus: Best attack buff for the Rail. Loses in almost every other respect to every other god.

agree with all of these for me

[itssirtou]

LostSoldier20 a écrit :

Much disagreeing on these points. Ares Call is TERRIBLE. You can't attack during it so your DPS drops to null as the hit of it is tiny. You use it entirely for the invuln. Though his Aphrodite Duo is pretty damn strong.

Zues Call meanwhile is BROKEN even in the Long Winter nerfed state. I think the only stronger call is Aphrodite. 3750 damage in a single hit? Yes plz. Plus his Duos are almost all entirely broken OP.

It's possible I'm overvaluing Ares call since I usually have Vicious Cycle soon after. Kills Theseus and hades through the last part of their forms all by itself. And Zeus's call takes too long IMO, I'd rather have Artemis, or periodic invuln. .

Fringehunter7719 a écrit :

For comparison purposes, which tier and level of Aphrodite's call does 3750?

I haven't managed to use it to very good effect, whereas Ares call works really well using 1 chunk at a time to neutralise a boss attack or dangerous situation and get in a couple of hundred damage. I'm wondering if I've missed a trick?

It does 2500 at Rare Lv1. Doesn't make up for the fact it is terrible as a lesser call. Once again Artemis is better damage. Unless you get trolled and get no crits in 10 shots...

[Sealer]

I find them a bit hard to rank, each one of them has something you can build around with a proper setup.

For cast builds Artemis is definitely the strongest just because Pressure Points, Fully Loaded and secondary casts all have fantastic synergies with any cast and even her own cast is rock solid. She also has cast duos with ares and demeter if you want to go all in on those.

Zeus becomes exponentially stronger the more boons you get from him, same with Poseidon and they go great together. Rapture is good for proccing status effect curse while dealing damage and tidal dash might be the best offensive dash in game. Both calls are also pretty good.

Aphrodite just straight up swings the damage dealt and received with the highest % damage amp on attack and special on top of easy to apply 1 boon curse that reduces enemy damage... And she has %life increase and more damage reduction and extra damage to weak... You can never go wrong with her boons and you dont need a lot to make them shine.

Ares has doom which is very strong if you get 3-4 related boons. Too bad blade rift kind of sucks unless you go all in with artemis duo.

Best call reward goes to athena which with a few poms can give you over 20 sec of invul, deflect while having full dps. Its just the best and will probably be nerfed soon. Her dash is very good as well. Deflect on attack has really good synergy with spear charge if you use hades aspect.

Demeter is all around solid, sadly her cast isnt synergetic with anything including her own boons. Frost is great for proccing status curse. Unfortunately the boon that deals damage at 10 stacks of frost is probably the worst damage boon in game.

The only god who isnt that great imo is Dionysis. His cast on its own misses a lot and doesnt apply +50 % dmg bonus and hangover is a bit slow. Hangover is solid for proccing status curse dmg, but it doesnt increase weapon dps by a %. He also doesnt have any boons that increase its damage apart from black out. He's good with Hera and ok with rail but thats about it. Even his damage reduction is worse than most others.

[Morton Koopa Jr.]

Poseidon call is a safe boss killer. I think it can take out half a gauge of Hades at around lv3 plus a +50% bonus from double status affliction?

[Bopple]

Aphrodite
She has everything you need. Very few boons are useless. You can't go wrong with her. Probably the best choice of God.

Ares
Worst. No +% damage. One of the weakest casts and calls. Doom is good but only for certain weapons. Battle Rage is great. Can be a good caster with Artemis, which is quite weird. God of War is bad at melee but good at casting? Meh.

Artemis
Very good. Crits. Great Call. Must-have for any caster build.

Athena
The best Dash. The best Call.

Dionysus
Cast and Call are great. Other than that he is on toe to toe with Ares.

Demeter
Slow is just for cursing. Support boons are OP. Cast and call are meh.

Poseidon
Spectacular in small rooms, especially in Temple of Styx. Underrated. His call is one of the best.

Zeus
You need too many boons for him to be effective. If you can pile up, it gets ridiculously powerful, especially when combined with Poseidon. Call is also great.

[Morton Koopa Jr.]

^this breakdown is probably the closest to what I would agree with if I had to do a very general analysis.

[Salmoni]

^^ Demeter's slow isn't just good as a curse, the slow helps with taking less damage and dealing more by having more time hitting an enemy, try slowing a boss and then spam at his back, it way easier to do it with the slow, making it the best curse IMO. Besides that the duo's cast from Demetra and Poseidon alone clears everything at a RIDICOULOUS pace, just that cast alone without any other boon that synergies for casts can melt any boss and room.

Artemis is straight out strong and reliable pick

*edit- If i'm not wrong, if you take "Killing Freeze" boons from Demetra, it counts as 2 different curse, making chill way strong in that condition.

[haldagan]

Bopple a écrit :

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Demeter
Slow is just for cursing. Support boons are OP. Cast and call are meh.
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Cast is obliterating bosses as soon as you get D+Artemis duo. Add Pressure points and second cast from artemis and your run is done. If you happen to get Artemis legendary on top of that, you can kill Hades by just placing casts and dashing around.

[Bopple]

Haven't tried Demeter's cast after the patch. Its tracking was way too slow. Maybe it's now better.

[Morton Koopa Jr.]

Bopple a écrit :

Haven't tried Demeter's cast after the patch. Its tracking was way too slow. Maybe it's now better.

it's still pretty bad imo, But it's certainly usable since many problem enemies are static (least efficacy on asphodel i feel).

That said, if you're lucky, you got a boon that makes it great.

[Coco was his name.]

I just had a run with focus on Dionysus and this "overall crit chance" from Artemis. I never knew that even Hangover ticks can crit. Then I took the Dio+Aphro Duo to give 8 stacks to weakened enemies and just watched die by crit ticks. I love Dionysus

[haldagan]

Morton Koopa Jr. a écrit :

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it's still pretty bad
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I repeat: you need Artemis + Demeter duo.
Tracking speed is tremendous. It's almost 100% accuracy on hades, unless you place casts right under him and he steps over them (so they need to turn 180°).

[Morton Koopa Jr.]

haldagan a écrit :

Morton Koopa Jr. a écrit :

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it's still pretty bad
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I repeat: you need Artemis + Demeter duo.
Tracking speed is tremendous. It's almost 100% accuracy on hades, unless you place casts right under him and he steps over them (so they need to turn 180°).

I like how you went out of your way to not quote the remainder of my post that is basically what you're saying

[0bsidianFire]

My personal list...

Normal Gods

Athena: Deflect is just too good. Get it on dash or whatever attack can be fired off the fastest and you don't have to worry about a huge chunk of damage for the rest of the run. OP Call and one of the few ways to get Death Defiance uses back.

Dionysus: Very good boon selection. High poison stacks do lots of passive damage to bosses. Has nice defense options for later in a run too. His status effect also doesn't need any other boons to be applied, which can make getting Privileged Status up easy.

Aphrodite: Weak is very nice on bosses... and just about everyone else too. Good for getting Privileged Status up. Her other boons aren't bad either. Anything that makes bosses deal less damage to you really extends your functional HP pool.

Demeter: Chill is another nice status effect that really helps with crowd control and outgoing enemy damage. Too bad her Cast is very finicky. Thankfully, her other passive booms are worth getting...

Ares: Pretty good. His status effect not benefiting from being stacked can take practice to play around. His cast can be... weird... and feels very boon dependent. Unless you get his generic boons, he requires a lot of boons to "work". Still, his Call is one of three that gives invulnerability...

Poseidon: Is a mixed bag unless you can get his status effect boon. Knock back doesn't work on bosses, so you need to invest a bit into him to get a decent build going. On the other hand, he's got one of the best Calls. Invulnerability and crazy good damage even with one bar of the God Gauge is nothing to sneeze at.

Artemis: The damage increase is nice if it procs. Needs a lot of different boons to work reliably. Making good builds with her feels more luck dependent then anything else. I generally find myself using her boons as filler rather then specifically building with them in mind. And often wishing I had different boons that worked all the time...

Zeus: First up, none of his effects to your attacks (except the dash) give a percentage damage increase, which can be a problem for the weapons with high flat damage (Legendary Hestia Exagryph, I'm looking at you). Making the flat damage of his lightning bolts really worth anything means getting lots of boons. Trying to get a good Zues build going is very RNG dependent.

Other

Hermes: Epic level Hermes boons are very nice. Faster attacks mean more damage and getting chances to doge will save you from damage. Generally speaking, moving around faster in Hades means taking less damage, so Hermes booms are rarely not worth getting.

Chaos: Chaos's boons are all good and in theory are worth getting. The bigger issue is which curse is tied into the boon and how hard it will make the next couple of chambers. All of which depends on your current build and weapon type... Paying in HP to even pick which boon you get can also be an issue.

Notes

Generally speaking, the percentage damage increase for both the Normal Attack and the Special attack is the same across all boons in a given rarity tier. The more important part is what else besides the damage increase is added to the attack...

I feel like a lot of if a god is considered good or not is how easy it is to get their boons "online" without relying on other boons. The more boons a god needs to work, the harder it is to pull that god off in a given run. Some boons can just be slapped together with minimal thought, while others really make you dependent on the RNG. And of course, the Weapon you are using makes all the difference. What works great with one weapon can be hell on another.

General set-up I use

Athena always gets picked in an attempt to get her dash or her call. If neither of those are available, then getting her on the fastest attack or special is also good. Or any of the other nice passives she has.

Dionysus, Aphrodite, Demeter and Ares - Ares ideally goes on the special or attack, whichever is used the least often in repetition. Dionysus or Demeter should go on whatever stacks fastest (attack or special). Aphrodite can go almost anywhere as while her status effect doesn't have to be stacked, it doesn't hurt to stack it either. This lets you get Privileged Status up very quickly and either gets you lots of damage or crowd control or a mix of both.

Taking Duo boons into account, Aphrodite and Dionysus or Aphrodite and Ares are the preferred mix. Dionysus and Demeter have a duo boon if you have Trippy Shot (Dionysus Cast). It should be noted that nearly any combination of these four gods will work well together. Sometimes even if their boons are not in the attack/special slots (Aphrodite Cast, Demeter/Dionysus Dash/Call).

The rest of the build can be just about whatever you like depending on what other boon rooms spawn.

[-=MM=-Savage]

Daedalus, Chaos, Hermes - outside the heirarchy special cases. You will want some from each on every run.

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Athena - The best defence and a strong attack. On dodge is always great, good on several specials and godlike on guan yu's charged attack.

Demeter - Incredibly long status effect for the +50% damage. Best solo cast. Incredible cast duos. everything has 10% less health than it thinks it does.

Dionysus - best DoT. Second best solo cast. great duo casts. Great capstone cast.

Artemis - great alone, combines well with everyone. Great duos with everyone.

Aphrodite - Second tier defensive powers.

Ares - Worst cast. Best duo cast. Best damaging status for low rate of fire weapons, worst for high.

Zeus and Poseidon also appear in the game.