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Rhinkalis 2019 年 12 月 18 日 下午 6:58
Titan Blood Economy
I don't really get why the Titan Blood system works the way it does right now. The idea of getting your first set by using all the different weapons against the first boss "works" and makes sense, but apparently to get any more you have to... Beat the entire game? (I mean, not "The entire game" but, you know, the final boss of any particular run)

I find this weird because Titan's Blood isn't instanced per weapon, and there's no current respec options (that I've found, I've room to be wrong here) so the opportunity cost of even *trying* one of the upgrades is GIGANTIC. So far as I can tell if you don't like the first or second thing you try, your options for trying more are beating the game (and then apparently making the game harder) or wiping your save file, all just so you can see what your options even ARE.

Now maybe it's just because I'm bad at the game (stuck on the bone hydra at the moment) but that seems to be a rather tall order, and super doesn't seem to jive with the system in the game that encourages you to constantly be swapping weapons from run to run when you can only have one or two of them upgraded, and even then that'd be just partially upgraded. Now don't get me wrong, I don't expect to be able to upgrade all the weapons to the max in all their forms immediately or whatever, but I'd like a little space to experiment with different setups without having to, you know, beat the game first. Since I might need a different setup than what I currently have to actually beat the game for the first time, but now I can't get it because...

Well, you see where I'm going with this.
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dustin1280 2019 年 12 月 20 日 下午 9:39 
You can get 10 blood for beating the game with every weapon.
You can get 10 blood for beating the game with every heat modifier (not all at once, just every heat modifier used once)

Finally you can get one blood every time you beat the first boss and the last boss on a higher level heat modifier. You can also do this per weapon

IE:
Beat heat 1 with bow (get 2 blood)
Beat heat 1 with sword (get 2 blood)
Beat heat 1 with rail gun (get 2 blood)
Beat heat 1 with spear (get 2 blood)
Beat heat 2 with bow (get 2 blood)
etc...

I recommend Zagreus Aspect for each weapon but the sword first (it's a cheap+effective boost to all weapons)
The Poseidon Aspect for the sword (because cast build with this weapon is INSANE)
--- I have a 20:25.50 clear time (heat 3) with the Poseidon Aspect sword (and it wasn't even an optimal build)
最后由 dustin1280 编辑于; 2019 年 12 月 20 日 下午 9:44
Rymdkejsaren 2019 年 12 月 21 日 上午 4:27 
引用自 Lorska
引用自 Hazy
Worse is that the two aspects for the shield.. Cancel each other out. If you get both of them neither of them activate.
what even...
only one aspect can be active at any time.

This wasn't super clear either and had me confused at first. But yes, you select one aspect as active and that's the one you get. Not all of them at once.
VoiD 2019 年 12 月 21 日 上午 4:54 
Don't worry, it's perfectly possible to beat it, just takes practice and a good build, sometimes the dice is against you, sometimes you'll get it.

My first win happened with the shield after 17 runs, I realized that thing is just broken, every boss turns into a joke as you don't really have to dodge anything, just block and counter every single thing they do.

Then I reset my save, started from zero and just happened to get good opportunities to level up the basic sword, with no titan blood at all, special attack, in the end it had more range, +20% damage, +60% or something from Chaos, crit chance from artemis, mark on crit, more cast speed, more damage against armor, etc...

Needless to say it could crit over 500 and it had a pretty fast animation, so I cleared the game in my 9th run on a new save, I wasn't expecting it, just happened to get loads of good synergies there.

PS: If you're worried, even though I'm a new player, got the game yesterday I think, every weapon seems good, like, really good, it's all about style and synergies, for example many people say the sword is just trash, yet it was my fastest clear so far, many people say the gun and the bow are the best weapons, yet I didn't even beat the 3rd boss with them and find them really difficult to use, focus on the weapons you just like to play with and you'll get there.
Rymdkejsaren 2019 年 12 月 21 日 上午 5:10 
Yep, it's very much about stacking some powers on one of the weapon's strengths. Unlike most games of this type, I quite enjoy using all the different weapons because it means completely different playstyles.

I think mostly what's missing with the Titan Blood is a little bit more information about how to use it and the fact that it's quite rare (for anyone who isn't hardcore) AND making it clear that you can only have one aspect active at the time. If I had known that I wouldn't have just spent it all in one place. :lunar2019grinningpig:
TheCopyUniverse 2019 年 12 月 21 日 下午 10:02 
I love the Zeus Aspect. The Blitz disc is fun to use, especially if you have something like Blight or Divine Flourish on it.
Prometheus 2019 年 12 月 22 日 上午 1:06 
引用自 TheCopyUniverse
I love the Zeus Aspect. The Blitz disc is fun to use, especially if you have something like Blight or Divine Flourish on it.
Heretic! Chaos aspect all the way.
Oddmonster 2019 年 12 月 22 日 上午 9:41 
引用自 dustin1280
You can get 10 blood for beating the game with every weapon.
You can get 10 blood for beating the game with every heat modifier (not all at once, just every heat modifier used once)

Finally you can get one blood every time you beat the first boss and the last boss on a higher level heat modifier. You can also do this per weapon

IE:
Beat heat 1 with bow (get 2 blood)
Beat heat 1 with sword (get 2 blood)
Beat heat 1 with rail gun (get 2 blood)
Beat heat 1 with spear (get 2 blood)
Beat heat 2 with bow (get 2 blood)
etc...

I recommend Zagreus Aspect for each weapon but the sword first (it's a cheap+effective boost to all weapons)
The Poseidon Aspect for the sword (because cast build with this weapon is INSANE)
--- I have a 20:25.50 clear time (heat 3) with the Poseidon Aspect sword (and it wasn't even an optimal build)
Is that clear time on hell mode or normal?
最后由 Oddmonster 编辑于; 2019 年 12 月 22 日 上午 9:41
Skinker 2019 年 12 月 22 日 下午 1:28 
Now that I am running heat levels with the different weapons I find myself getting blood at a decent speed. It will take me awhile to max out all my weapons, but I almost have one aspect completed for each weapon.
dustin1280 2020 年 1 月 12 日 下午 12:27 
引用自 Oddmonster
Is that clear time on hell mode or normal?
Normal...
Since hell mode doesn't have any special rewards for completing it other then bragging rights, I have been playing normal (with heat) as I find it more enjoyable
最后由 dustin1280 编辑于; 2020 年 1 月 12 日 下午 12:27
Ariel 2020 年 1 月 12 日 下午 1:24 
there is one thing missing in all that. While bounty system is fastest way to get titan bloods after you fulfiled phrophecies, you're not forced in any way to do them. In main hub you can vendor, which allows you to convert other meta currencies into others. In worst case, you can just these in your base runs when you find game too hard and eventually just convert them into blood. Also there is no respec, because eventually you're expected to unlock everything.
chiya 2020 年 1 月 12 日 下午 3:45 
There really is no issue in getting the blood.

Once you've capped out the Mirror or at least most of it (aside from Fated Authority which doesn't really matter), runs will be easy and down to your personal skill. You should be able to clear every run with no effort in the beginning, with the only difficulty being you increasing the heat. And by this point you'll already have your favorite Aspect/Weapons so you'll keep upgrading those first.

I have 60~ hours in the game and I have all aspects maxed, except Cast from Sword and Blitz Disc from Shield... Meaning soon, I'll have all maxed, yet my highest clear is 13 Heat on Bow. Which means eventually you'll have more titan blood than you can actually use for anything.
NeedtoDie 2020 年 1 月 12 日 下午 5:14 
I have this strange feeling things are going to be even worse when they'll add more aspects, weapons, and levels to complete a run.
The major issue for a new player is that he is locked in whatever aspect he chooses until he is able to complete many runs, or he has to play with a low level weapons.

A simple way to fix this is an training option. If you can try your weapon aspect before using your titan blood, you'll feel a lot more confident, and will have a better chance not to regret your decision.

Other than that, a respec option (with something like a darkness cost, as this currency is mostly useless later in the game) could be implemented.


Keep in mind the difference between lv 1 and 5 aspect can be ridiculous, and two players with the same skilsl can have very different experiences in game based solely on how they spent their titan blood.
Eizo 2020 年 1 月 12 日 下午 5:25 
引用自 NeedtoDie
I have this strange feeling things are going to be even worse when they'll add more aspects, weapons, and levels to complete a run.
The major issue for a new player is that he is locked in whatever aspect he chooses until he is able to complete many runs, or he has to play with a low level weapons.

A simple way to fix this is an training option. If you can try your weapon aspect before using your titan blood, you'll feel a lot more confident, and will have a better chance not to regret your decision.

Other than that, a respec option (with something like a darkness cost, as this currency is mostly useless later in the game) could be implemented.


Keep in mind the difference between lv 1 and 5 aspect can be ridiculous, and two players with the same skilsl can have very different experiences in game based solely on how they spent their titan blood.

You can give up. If you press Esc and choose "Give up", your run gets reset. Like it never happend, nothing spent nothing earned. That's the closest you will get to a training option atm.
Chocolait 2020 年 1 月 12 日 下午 7:57 
I haven't run into any problems with the titan's blood personally. I unlocked all aspects at their base levels as soon as I could and found out which one was my favorite. Then I've been doing increasing heat on all weapons (currently finished heat 0,1,2,3,4 with all 5 weapons) and buying for 1500 gold at the last stage if available. I'm not "swimming" in bloods but I've never actually felt that I'm not getting enough.
DJDiceZ 2020 年 1 月 12 日 下午 9:42 
Afaik the game was intended to be beaten without aspects. That being said, you'll get a lot more once you complete a run/certain quests.

+ the trader. At the beggining if you convert all your ambrosia to titan blood it's still 10 titan blood before you even beat the game. 15 for just beating the game. 25 for beating the game with every weapons.
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