About Chaos boons and the drawbacks..-

[TemmieNeko]

you can't choose to NOT pick one of the boons choices, and I was faced with 3 terrible upgrades ( none of which increased my atk, which is what I needed ) and all of them had -4 hp every time you attack.
This is beyond stupid, Al i had was the shield wep and nothing else - the special is all I could attack with, and you knwo hwo sweet that thing is ^^b ( it succks)

Chaos boon neg effects need to be balanced in a way where the reward is = to the punioshment.
if you raise my atk, then fine - make atk deal damage
if you raise my life, sure - m,ake me take more damage form all eemi4es, that's fine.

but having 3 - one for raising gold ( lame ) one for raising life, and one for raising the odds of rare boons? super lame, btw - since RARE is all iut gets you, and all the boons are already showing up as rare for me? so that's a stupid boon, too./



just balance it in a way where you wont end your effectiveness super badly.

i couldnt even get past the hydra bc of that terrible RNG.
Also the gam,e still stutters like mad, and i noticed no devs ever replied to my post explaining it.

[虚空恐惧混乱诡秘之主]

dayday up! goodgood study! chaos .... oh! 给我三个掉血的选项，我随便选了一个，AAA就把自己A死了

[Bonesman]

I mean, you take that risk when you enter a chaos gate. That's kind of the point of the chaos boons, they can just destroy you, but you get a very worthwhile reward. There isn't always going to be an easy choice, or even a choice that you want, but that's just how a game heavily based on the RNG you experience during a run is going to be.

[TemmieNeko]

Fate님이 먼저 게시:

I mean, you take that risk when you enter a chaos gate. That's kind of the point of the chaos boons, they can just destroy you, but you get a very worthwhile reward. There isn't always going to be an easy choice, or even a choice that you want, but that's just how a game heavily based on the RNG you experience during a run is going to be.

right... but the game is supposed ot be enjoyable and fun, too. you can take a risk for a reward, and have it make sense.
punishment should fit the crime, s'all im sayin

[Fracastador]

I find myself heavily relying on one single option (mostly attack, mostly special, spell/attack alternating), possibly more than I should, during a lot of my runs, and chaos penalties would be immensely more difficult for me to use were the boon and bane targeted at the same option.

Maybe a good thing for diversifying gameplay? Unsure, but certainly more difficult.

[Cyiel]

If you have "-x HP on attack" then use your special and cast. For 3-4 rooms it is not really a problem. Just avoid taking Chaos gate before a boss but that's an abvious advice.

[TemmieNeko]

Cyiel님이 먼저 게시:

If you have "-x HP on attack" then use your special and cast. For 3-4 rooms it is not really a problem. Just avoid taking Chaos gate before a boss but that's an abvious advice. :lunar2019grinningpig:

....in the 2nd level, using only the shield wep with no buffs to it or my special damage, where everyone has a massive shiled in the first 3 rooms. yup! works like a charm.
are oyu kdiding me?
the shiled special does leik 15 damage per tick, it took 50 throws to kill a single enemy.,

[Aumires]

You really have to take risks even if they hinder the run due to the large benefits. I had to fight through Elysium with a slow curse - including miniboss encounter. Lost a couple revives but it was worth it - specially because I found the guy that recharges them.

If you can only throw the shield, so be it. You can also risk some HP by pushing to lava enemies there.

It isn't a matter of "git gud" but to accept that Chaos is a roulette that can very much so go wrong on you. It is Chaos.

[TemmieNeko]

Aumires님이 먼저 게시:

You really have to take risks even if they hinder the run due to the large benefits. I had to fight through Elysium with a slow curse - including miniboss encounter. Lost a couple revives but it was worth it - specially because I found the guy that recharges them.

If you can only throw the shield, so be it. You can also risk some HP by pushing to lava enemies there.

It isn't a matter of "git gud" but to accept that Chaos is a roulette that can very much so go wrong on you. It is Chaos.

i dont agree. controlled chaos is still chaos, and sinmce thi sis a game, and not some philosophical tale of woe, it should remain fun while offering a neat way to get unique boons.
and the effects arent that great to begin with to demand you literally kill yourself.

also the slow curse is more of a blessing. thats a very easy one to deal with./
" can't pick up red diamond thingy for 10 seconds, whatever - that thing is useless unless oyu get the right god ot bless it.
slow just mens you need to be careful using your dodge dash, which is pretty easy to exploit - i have done several rooms taking no damage using thanatos's keepsake on sub 5 hp just spamming dash -
special being hindered by you taking damge can 9 times out of 10 be super fine. I suppose if you used the rail gun that might sorta suck, but the basic attakc of every wep is really the base go-to attacks - and always should be.
I treat specials for the purpose they need ot be used, usually for statusy stuffs - not just to pour on rampant damage ( although sometimes, you need to )
But the shield is poppycock when you can't attack.
And you're right, it's not a :" git gud " sort of deal, it's more liek ": this is incredibly boring taking 10 minutes to clear each room bc of this stupid chaos effect -
it's a game, games should be fun.
Making your player fight for half the run's time in every room is not fun, nor does it care for thew player's time/

[CosmicOdeum]

Throwing your shield is one of the best attacks in the game if you bother to upgrade it.

[TemmieNeko]

All i had was the shield wep and nothing else - the special is all I could attack with, and you knwo hwo sweet that thing is ^^b ( it succks)

Odeum님이 먼저 게시:

Throwing your shield is one of the best attacks in the game if you bother to upgrade it.

but did you read the first post.

[CosmicOdeum]

Throwing your shield is the special.

[TemmieNeko]

Odeum님이 먼저 게시:

Throwing your shield is the special.

the stock standar5d throwing your shield is what I was forced to use, and it is 100% garbage for the first few floos in asmodeus = -=
did you even read mny post at ALL!?
whatever the name of thje fire area is - that place?
a shield ( with no titan blood upgrades ) and no boons applied to it, the stock standard special attack which is what i literally freekin said, dude.
100% garbage to use that on those foes.
they move around a ton, they lob explosives at you, and have amega thick armor. it takes AGES to kill trhem./
not once did I say it was hard, i said it was stupid and boring

please read, and then apply reading comprehension before you double post in vain.

[CosmicOdeum]

Shudda boosted the shield's only worthwile attack before that point then my dude.
Don't get mad at other people for pointing out your own mistakes.

[TemmieNeko]

Odeum님이 먼저 게시:

Shudda boosted the shield's only worthwile attack before that point then my dude.
Don't get mad at other people for pointing out your own mistakes.

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I don't think you grasp the literal point, or the context of this situation. Please stop replying.
I don't care what I could have done or shoudl have done, or might have been able to do - the situation is what it is - it already happened. It's not liek I wrote this in real time, y'know?
I'm explainign the CHAOS BOON system is not balance dproeprly. i do not care about the sheild dude. At all. It's not even a 2nd thought, or a 1st thought. I am putting 0 thgouth into the shield';s effectiveness.
i am saying - in the context of the situation i described above - that as a catalyst to the -4 hp every attack; the shield was forcing me to use a poor method to dispatch my foes.

I did not say the shield can't be good under normal means, and this was - the first run I had with the shield. As i said, it had 0 upgrades, nada. I don't think you grasped a single point I was tryign to make.
Please.

[CosmicOdeum]

I assure you I fully comprehend your point. I am merely ignoring it.