Feedback of the new Spear Aspect

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Preface: I haven't received every boon for this weapon so unless Zeus and Poseidon knock this weapon aspect out of the park then this is my likely last time using it.

So I have given the new spear aspect 10 runs now at max level. For those that are curious it is -60% health and -60% health restore at Max Lvl 5. On Heat lvl 3 I only finished one time and that was because I had RNGesus smile on me with Demeter and Aphrodite dropping the enemies damage super low with Ares Call for breathing room using Skellys accessory.

Negatives: The wind-up on the normal attack spear spin that is supposed to heal you for 1 HP per hit is way too slow. The catch and retrieve special killed me more than anything and only did me any good with the Daedalus 7x bounce and Ares boon. The health you start with is abysmal and the only time I beat Hades was with about 6 health boons and even then ended the round with only 96 health ( LOL seriously).

The Daedalus upgrades are a mixed bag. I never would have won the game I did without the 3x dash attack boon, the 7x bounce special is just okay unless you have a powerful god boon to go with it. The boon that extends the normal attacks range is terrible considering you never have time to just stand there and use it.

Positives: The dash attack has great range and a nice hit cone. If you are left alone long enough the max spin attack is a huge AoE and decent damage to boot.

Side Note: Demeter's Cast seriously rocks with this aspect. 3 lazer beam turrets that are fire and forget are something special and it makes your God meter rise super fast.

TLDR: Unless a masochist look elsewhere

[faria]

Also, the lore for this weapon basically means throwing imersion to the lava in asphodel, I mean, at least, as someone said on reddit, put a confused Guan Yu inside elysium to give it to you, not just mix mythos up to atract players from a certain region with recognition and leave a massive loose tread

[Mauman]

Originally posted by faria:

Also, the lore for this weapon basically means throwing imersion to the lava in asphodel, I mean, at least, as someone said on reddit, put a confused Guan Yu inside elysium to give it to you, not just mix mythos up to atract players from a certain region with recognition and leave a massive loose tread

I made a post asking about this sort of thing...I agree. I don't care for the mixing of mythology. And I don't like the logic of "Just Cuz" that seems to be the devs thing. It also seems that other aspects are going to be like this.

Oh well. The game is still a delight. It just seems like this patch was adding a few new good spices to an already delicious meal, and then seasoning it with some salt mixed with ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fresh from Cerberus' butt.

Plus also agreed that the new aspect is crap currently from a mechanical standpoint as well.

[Mr. Kirkland]

I have to say, getting the weapon straight out with just the -80% -80% is straight...unusable. I mean that is so hilariously brutal for a pitiful +4 hp per spin (that has *such* a long windup)...just abysmal. There's got to be something better here, or maybe a reworking of the spin to be almost like a dash attack...but yeah this spear is ludicrously hard to play, imo. I'm no master of the game but I know that the regen it offers is just so low that its bonkers

[Relsh]

agree...its bad/ basically a super-niche weapon aspect right now. if you want to up the challenge of the game even more, i guess it might be fun to use, but the hp penalty is way too large to be usable w/o very specific tanky builds....making stuff like the chaos gates unusable for most of a run. oh well....hopefully the next one is better (and actually greek).

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I blame epics/chinese influence for guan yu ... he really destroys the whole immersion and logic but that's just me.

[Mauman]

Originally posted by QCFRNG:

I blame epics/chinese influence for guan yu ... he really destroys the whole immersion and logic but that's just me.

Agreed.

Edit - to the 2nd part. I'm going to give the devs the benefit of the doubt here. Might be naive of me maybe, but I'd rather not be that cynical.

[ShinryuEXE]

I think the lore of the weapon is kind of cool. Where Zagreus is the current wielder and Achilles and Hades were prior owners, Guan Yu is a future wielder of the weapon long after the age of Greek gods has passed.
I think it's a cool way to expand upon each weapon, showing that the weapons are eternal and continue on through history.

As for the ability, I am okay with it being a niche weapon. Haven't played around with it much yet, so can't comment well on how well tuned the exact numbers are, but I am perfectly okay with it giving significant strengths at the cost of significant downsides and greatly altering the playstyle of the weapon. Aspects that alter a weapon's moveset are far more compelling to me than ones that just buff by numbers some existing aspect of the weapon.

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begun ...the next aspect will be "monkey king aspect"

[Mauman]

If the final aspect of the sword isn't Cronus' Harpe but something non-greek instead I'm going to be a wee bit ticked.

edit - Perseus' Harpe could work too...it could even be the same weapon if the dev's wanted to go that way (it WAS gifted to Perseus by Zeus, who's to say he didn't take it from Cronus when he overthrew him?).

[ShinryuEXE]

I'm assuming it's also going to be something future/non-greek, like Excalibur or Balmung or some other non-Greek legendary sword.

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So here's the deal. I don't mind them going a non-greek route at some point in form of an expension, dlc or even entirely new game. That being said this is not the time to do so.
I mean the closest I can think of is God of War. They went full greek and then they involved the north which was a good move imo.
Same should and could be done for this game.

[Mauman]

You know what REALLY chafes me about this? There are still other characters in Greek mythology that are closely associated with spears that could have been used.

Hell....ATHENA is often associated with spears. And now because of this she most likely missed out her chance to have her own aspect like her father and uncles. And for what? Really, for what?

I was merely confused at first about this, but the more I think about...well...I guess I am kinda angry. I think annoyed would be a better description. It's their game and they get to make the choices, but I can't help but feel this was not the time to do something like this.

I DO think that a DLC or post-game thing would have worked for this though if the devs REALLY wanted to do this kind of thing. That would have been the best path here. As it is, it's out of place and a complete waste.

[FreddyTheMonkey]

I still didn't get to play around with the aspect too much, but I really agree with it being aesthetically really out of place.

[Kakaru]

Originally posted by QCFRNG:

I blame epics/chinese influence for guan yu ... he really destroys the whole immersion and logic but that's just me.

I'm not entirely okay with this myself since it kinda ruins the whole mythology ( having multiple pantheons existing in a single world devalues all divinities ).

I doubt chinese mythos has much appeal in the west : personally I know absolutely nothing about it and have no interest to look it up, so much that egyptian, nordic or american mythos would have been all preferable options.

Heh.

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Originally posted by Kakaru:

Originally posted by QCFRNG:

I blame epics/chinese influence for guan yu ... he really destroys the whole immersion and logic but that's just me.

I'm not entirely okay with this myself since it kinda ruins the whole mythology ( having multiple pantheons existing in a single world devalues all divinities ).

I doubt chinese mythos has much appeal in the west : personally I know absolutely nothing about it and have no interest to look it up, so much that egyptian, nordic or american mythos would have been all preferable options.

Heh.

I don't care about it being chinese or it not having any appeal to the west or whatever but it's an undeniable truth that there's some form of chinese representation be it guan yu, lunar year event, chinese whatever and to me that's annoying and boring. I know why some games implement stuff like it and so on but ... it's a huge jump from an ea game with a story and design solely based on greek mythology to jump all the way to guan yu when they think about spears ... as someone else said on here Athena is usually represented with a spear and shield, well to my knowledge at least.
A much easier route would've been to implement the Spear or Triam and thus bring Hephaestus into the game. I mean afaik the spear was used in the war against the titans, i believe kronos, and thus it was trapped in Tartarus.

That's just one of many ways how they could've gone about this thing but guan yu ... dude I don't know. For me that's just boring, lazy and uncreative game design.