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And the game was built upon the hype of an old, classic IP, having a long beta for half a decade, hiding away all of the junk everyone hated and then launching with all of that crap, by surprise on launch day, they never marketed or have shown any of it during the beta, for good reason.
Also, it was universally acknowledged that, technically speaking, it was way ahead of everything else in the market, so it suceeded in spite of some crap everyone hated, never because of it, and most were simply ignoring/removing them with mods.
It is also universally acknowledged at least half the companions are insuferable, and all of the relationships minus perhaps one (shadow heart) are quite terrible, so even the aspects lightly touched by it are the only real flaws with the game and nobody would dispute that.
Still, a 10/10 game with a little bit of the trash turned into an 8/10, if you take yet another example, DA Veilguard which comes from an IP even more relevant, known, and recent than BG2 and by all means should have, at least, rivaled BG3 numbers, it really didn't, they added a LOT of trash to that game that wasn't even as good to begin with, so they turned a 6/10 game into a 0/10 and the results speak for themselves.
I'm just surprised at this one, perhaps it's simply because it's just a little bit spread all over the game so it doesn't make a huge impact and doesn't cause a repulsive reaction in people? Maybe it's just fans of the first game (which was very good) in denial or trying hard to ignore the changes? I'd like to know.
It's all a matter of how much you want to destroy your product (not just games), the more you add to it, the worse it gets.
You can also add to the examples both the Spiderman and the nordic GoW games.
If you are going to bait, at least think before typing. Or try to be fun. This thread is a waste.
"Woke" is about the worst possible subject that you could bring to this forum, whether you knew it or not. You probably didn't know, you're new here and don't even own Hades 2.
Anyway, there's been an onslaught of threads here about this exact topic, wokeness, or whatever stupid word you want to use.
Many threads have led to flame wars, people being banned, reported, blocking each other, blah blah blah, just think of a back-and-forth culture war being waged, for no reason. We're all exhausted by this woke topic.
At the end of the day, Hades 2 is a very good game, even during EA, and that's why it has survived so-called "wokeness."
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Because the gameplay is very good and the character aren't "in your face". You don't see anyone gallivanting about "how white I am" just as you don't see the same for other colors.
Same as the sexuality side, you need to invest into a certain relationship and you know what you are going for. I enjoy the byplay with Moros and Nemesis as much as I liked romancing Meg and Thanatos in the first episode.
Portraits can be hit or miss, but you can simply not care about them if they hurt your sensibility. Greek gods are also renown for changing how they appear based on which aspect they represent at that moment, so there is some kind of wiggle room.
Besides that, you can also say that GoW:Ragnarock had a somewhat ok-ish success compared to many others, even if it was less successful than the first chapter.
For example in BG3 everybody is bi. And so what? They don't talk about it. They just act, without making any sort of comment about it. You know that in this world, this is perfectly normal.
In veilguard, there is this absurd dialogue where someone is doing pushups as a sort of small self-punishment because they have misgendered someone else. This, in my eyes, is seriously dumb and annoying. Like, we're talking about a conflict of epic proportions and they care about misgendering enough to actually discuss it, other than just saying "oh sorry I'll remember next time!" and be good with it?
Hades (both 1 and 2) fall deep into first category. The world just is like that, nobody has to prove anything, nobody has to make excuses, discuss it. This makes it believable and natural.
Why does this subject keep coming back?
What do you anti-woke crowd get from it? Your minds are already set in a way that nothing, no one or anything will change your minds. Then why?
The game is doing well because it's a good game. That's all.
Because, maybe, the crowd who play Super Giant Games' games are from a time where we only cared whether a game was fun or not. We didn't bother looking for hidden agendas or anything.
Why the obsession of beating this effing dead horse into oblivion? Why?
My follow-up post was also removed? My follow-up post was talking about how I loved Brazilian bossa nova music. wtf?
Neo is easily one of the nicest people I've met on this forum. I couldn't think of anybody here less deserving of a ban. I've known him for a while now, Neo goes out of his way to be kind.
OP, did you seriously report Neo for writing a critical reply towards you? If so, wow. If you did that, shame on you.
The irony of people who cry about "woke" topics, but when they're called out, or questioned in any way, they have absolutely no spine or back bone at all. They're thin-skinned babies about it, they can't act like adults and have a discussion. It's pathetic.
Just like I said in my original reply, the "woke" topic is ruining this forum, full stop.
Exactly this.
The only ''woke'' that actually annoys people is the trash writing and forced kind.
I play many games with leftist ideologies or whatever you wanna call them and like them when it's done well. But I still want to rip my eyes and ears out when I see something like Veilguard.
May sound conspiranoic, but it's the only logical explanation.
Yeah, I can't even argue with that...
It's a terrible ban, and I think I know why it happened. In Neo's deleted post, he said that as a fellow Brazilian, he felt embarrassed by the OP and this "woke" trolling post.
I bet that got under OP's skin. Sometimes being shamed by a fellow countryman cuts deep.