Umbral Flames is best weapon

[КЕФИР]

The developers want me to learn mob's and boss's patterns when using melee weapons, but it doesn't work. Their attacks are too fast and random. There is no training mode in the game and you just have to spend your time trying to understand them.

As a result, when using melee you take a lot of damage.

Umbral Flames allows you to keep a safe distance, which ensures better survivability.

Yes, there are nerds who achieve mastery over a melee-distance, but for a casual players all this is boring and uninteresting.

[Pizza Parker]

That's a funny way to spell "Moonstone Axe"

[Sintonir]

Every weapon has a ranged option. And for the Axe and Staff melee attacks have quite a good range, especially with Apollo Boon.

[Spooksies]

Umbral Flames is fun, but some of the "melee" weapons have a lot of fun ranged potential too.

It's the damn daggers that I dislike, they do not do enough to justify the risk of equipping them imo

[Myntkaramell]

Originally posted by КЕФИР:

The developers want me to learn mob's and boss's patterns when using melee weapons, but it doesn't work. Their attacks are too fast and random. There is no training mode in the game and you just have to spend your time trying to understand them.

As a result, when using melee you take a lot of damage.

Umbral Flames allows you to keep a safe distance, which ensures better survivability.

Yes, there are nerds who achieve mastery over a melee-distance, but for a casual players all this is boring and uninteresting.

The aspect considered the best one out of the Torches (Moros) is pretty melee though lol.

[Fire walk with me]

Originally posted by Spooksies:

Umbral Flames is fun, but some of the "melee" weapons have a lot of fun ranged potential too.

It's the damn daggers that I dislike, they do not do enough to justify the risk of equipping them imo

Daggers are fine imo. I am not the best player but I can beat 32 fear with daggers which is my standard litmus test for something being balanced or not.

[КЕФИР]

Originally posted by Sintonir:

Every weapon has a ranged option. And for the Axe and Staff melee attacks have quite a good range, especially with Apollo Boon.

This mode is quite weak and rare. Torches allow you to simply spam the enemy with projectiles from afar, especially if the gifts are goods.

[Spooksies]

Originally posted by Fire walk with me:

Originally posted by Spooksies:

Umbral Flames is fun, but some of the "melee" weapons have a lot of fun ranged potential too.

It's the damn daggers that I dislike, they do not do enough to justify the risk of equipping them imo

Daggers are fine imo. I am not the best player but I can beat 32 fear with daggers which is my standard litmus test for something being balanced or not.

it's less so that I think daggers are weak, that I think the payoff for using them isn't anywhere near as satisfying as the other weapons.

They kinda remind me of the gauntlets from the first game in that sense

[Spooksies]

Originally posted by КЕФИР:

Originally posted by Sintonir:

Every weapon has a ranged option. And for the Axe and Staff melee attacks have quite a good range, especially with Apollo Boon.

This mode is quite weak and rare. Torches allow you to simply spam the enemy with projectiles from afar, especially if the gifts are goods.

As a person who enjoys the torches, I feel like you vastly overrate their range.

A lot of enemies excel at closing that gap, and unless you get the hammer upgrade that makes them last longer, you'll still have to manage your distance while considering their attacks

Plus a lot of the good torch builds revolve around the special, which is a much more up close and personal option than the base attack

[Fire walk with me]

Originally posted by Spooksies:

Originally posted by Fire walk with me:

Daggers are fine imo. I am not the best player but I can beat 32 fear with daggers which is my standard litmus test for something being balanced or not.

it's less so that I think daggers are weak, that I think the payoff for using them isn't anywhere near as satisfying as the other weapons.

They kinda remind me of the gauntlets from the first game in that sense

For the record I merely stated they were balanced and I can personally complete high difficulty runs with them.

Satisfying is entirely subjective and is usually a strictly boolean equation. You dig them or you don't not really a plus or minus simply a playstyle.

[StormRangerX]

OP has a very "skill issue" take on this but for what it's worth, Aspect of Moros on the Umbral Flames is ridiculously strong and gets insane with just a few boons.

[Metal Maniac]

Gotta agree with OP on this one. Flames with Eos aspect was the easiest 32 testament for me in both underworld and surface. Safe dodging around, spamming specials while the orb summon thing takes care of everything

[Spooksies]

Originally posted by Metal Maniac:

Gotta agree with OP on this one. Flames with Eos aspect was the easiest 32 testament for me in both underworld and surface. Safe dodging around, spamming specials while the orb summon thing takes care of everything

is that a secret aspect?

i havent gotten far enough to see those yet, only the base 3

[Spooksies]

Originally posted by Fire walk with me:

Originally posted by Spooksies:

it's less so that I think daggers are weak, that I think the payoff for using them isn't anywhere near as satisfying as the other weapons.

They kinda remind me of the gauntlets from the first game in that sense

For the record I merely stated they were balanced and I can personally complete high difficulty runs with them.

Satisfying is entirely subjective and is usually a strictly boolean equation. You dig them or you don't not really a plus or minus simply a playstyle.

I decided to give the daggers another shot, and unlocked the third variant since it seemed cool, I have definitely turned around on them, this is such a cool way to play with them

[Fire walk with me]

Originally posted by Spooksies:

Originally posted by Fire walk with me:

For the record I merely stated they were balanced and I can personally complete high difficulty runs with them.

Satisfying is entirely subjective and is usually a strictly boolean equation. You dig them or you don't not really a plus or minus simply a playstyle.

I decided to give the daggers another shot, and unlocked the third variant since it seemed cool, I have definitely turned around on them, this is such a cool way to play with them

Glad you are enjoying more aspects of the game... pun intended.

Also: Eos is not a hidden aspect. I want to say it is the middle choice iirc? Mel is first and Daybreaker should be Moros. If your omega attack sends out chonkier flames that would be it.