Ideas for next surface boss? Who can drop the Entropy?

[ShiHoshi]

I think the clue for last surface boss is Entropy and who would drop it(I assume they won't change the name and this isn't a red herring). Chaos is obvious choice since Entropy is
a measure of disorder but maybe you have other choices? Chaos still may be optional boss like Charon in Hades I or Entophy will be resource from Hypnos dreams or something.

[Arrokoth]

My guess would be Typhon. Attempted to overthrow Zeus before, gave birth to storms and monsters, and is sometimes considered to be a direct offspring of Kronos. Also was cast down into Tartaros, where a certain someone incidentally has taken over.

[ShiHoshi]

Originally posted by Arrokoth:

My guess would be Typhon. Attempted to overthrow Zeus before, gave birth to storms and monsters, and is sometimes considered to be a direct offspring of Kronos. Also was cast down into Tartaros, where a certain someone incidentally has taken over.

There are any in game clues for him?

[Arrokoth]

In dialogue, it's stated that a strange storm is brewing over the summit of Mount Olympus.

[ShiHoshi]

Originally posted by Arrokoth:

In dialogue, it's stated that a strange storm is brewing over the summit of Mount Olympus.

Oh, alright, it may be him then

[TTV\SoloQSights]

One of the two unlockables for the arena is a "Immortal" training dolls which is Skelemus in human form. The other is Chronos ("Underworld" final boss) so that might mean Skelemeus is the "Overworld" final boss). In the description Chronos' boss drop is for "time and decay" so the "Immortal" one might drop entropy because things wither and rust

There's some possible dialogue from Prometheus that Zeus might be the boss. It would have to be someone guarding the 3 Fates for sure which feels like a role for Skelemus. Don't know if you saw the progression for Dora's quest is to find out she's Pandora (final step so far is to brew the "Memories" incantation which isn't possible right now)

[MythikBeast]

Maybe it's a bit of a leap but I think the final boss of the surface route is going to be Daedalus.
Motive: Being kept from his son even in the afterlife.
Means: Responsible for constructing and maintaining the Underworld Labyrinth, Access to a variety of esoteric materials.
Opportunity: Access to Tartarus where Chronos was held, Access to the Temple of Styx where perhaps he was able to influence the satyrs into the blood sacrifices mentioned to be responsible for resurrecting Chronos.

I envision him using a machine of some sort to fight and it'll use entropy as a fuel source.
It would also provide a neat book-end to those responsible for the conflict to have a human(shade) and a titan as the big bads since it seems a bit out of place for Chronos to be offering humanity a golden age otherwise.

[jwolfe]

Well Aphrodite mentions that Olympus has been experiencing a lot of tremors and that Poseidon is most certainly not responsible.

And Homer drops a bit of lore in the boss arena indicating that the storm surrounding the mountain isn't created by the gods but by something else.

[Arrokoth]

Yup. Also, given that you are fighting Prometheus in surface world 3, there are not that many options that would make sense lore wise. It would be very odd to go from Prometheus to someone much further down the lineage, let alone a human. It should be a step up, or at least sideways on the family tree, from an actual Titan.

[Kenaron]

Aeres is suspiciously absent, and there's dialogue about how he wants a forever war.

[szczebrzeszynia]

Call me crazy, but my bet is on brainwashed Zagreaus being the final Olymp boss. Mel is looking for something in his room and unless it's the useless game she wants to play with Dora, it's entropy. We slowly meet every character from Hades, it woud be fitting is main chracter was the most powerful at the very end.

[Kenaron]

Originally posted by szczebrzeszynia:

Call me crazy, but my bet is on brainwashed Zagreaus being the final Olymp boss. Mel is looking for something in his room and unless it's the useless game she wants to play with Dora, it's entropy. We slowly meet every character from Hades, it woud be fitting is main chracter was the most powerful at the very end.

You know I've been thinking about this. They wouldn't even need to brainwash Zag. Chronos could send you back in time to when he was fighting Hades. He'd have no idea who you were and probably just throw down on sight.

The thing that makes me consider this is that every other final boss has had Death Defiance, and Zag is the only one left unaccounted for with it.

[Tomcio P]

Ok... but can it really be a Hades game, if you don't fight Hades? Maybe it will be two Hadeses?

[Cagey Bee]

Originally posted by szczebrzeszynia:

Call me crazy, but my bet is on brainwashed Zagreaus being the final Olymp boss. Mel is looking for something in his room and unless it's the useless game she wants to play with Dora, it's entropy. We slowly meet every character from Hades, it woud be fitting is main chracter was the most powerful at the very end.

Yea, as soon as I saw Eris with the Adamant Rail, I had this thought. Chronos also said something that implied he had broken Zagreus. Also, in the process of Mel getting her curse removed, someone mentions that maybe someone like Chronos could stop the passage of time so that the curse wouldn't have any actual effect. I think I got a clown award (edit: no clown award, but people tended to think that Typhon made much more sense) when I tried to make this case in an old thread, haha.

I think it will be Zagreus. I don't think it would be doing him justice to have him show up as a boon. A boos fight would be epic, though, and a huge payoff.

Edit: here is post I made musing on this.

Originally posted by Cagey Bee:

Skepticism is fair and most of why I think so is based on feelings but hear me out.

1.) There is no Theseus fight yet. As in, a fight where the opponent has boons that you haven't collected to use against you. It is possible that we just won't get a copy of a fight from the last game, but I feel like making us fight Zagreus would spice it up. I feel like Zag being the boss who has boons would just fit.

2.) Elaborating on Zag getting boons: The Olympians seem genuinely concerned and are super mysterious about what they are concerned about. That doesn't mean Zag, exactly, but I don't think it means *not* Zag, either. Again, having it be Zag as the fight on Olympus just... makes sense. He'd have boons. He'd have built in tension. It just feels like a good opportunity.

3.) There are hints... So, while I am not going to try and predict the narrative mechanisms that will get Zagreus to Olympus, I do feel like it is not so impossible. For one thing, Mel beat the curse by herself. She had no help from Chronos (who controls time) or from the Fates (who are the source of said curse in the first place). Not going to get into how the Fates or Chronos could overcome the curse on Zag if the were somehow compelled, but I am confident that they could. Now, specifically, what I thought was the biggest hint was when Chronos said something like, "You will break. Everyone breaks, just like your brother." Something along those lines, anyway.

It's feelings, man. If I'm totally off, I won't find it shocking or anything. I readily admit that my theory of a Zag fight is totally some unsubstantiated ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Still, I feels it in my bones. I can just see the pieces lining up perfectly and I think it'd be a good opportunity as well as a fun was to bring Zagreus into the game. I don't think Zag would be a good fit into this game as a playable character, to be honest. It is designed around Mel and balanced for Mel. So Zag can't be a character. If he shows up as an NPC, that would feel pretty poopy. If he is a huge swangin boss, though, it just all makes more sense. He shows up in a way that will feel good and be fun. If I remember, I want to come back to this when Olympus releases and see what's up.

I was waiting to see if what would end up being Prometheus would be the Theseus-style fight that I am expecting. Prometheus was not, so now I am basically sold that Zagreus will be the boss at the summit, wielding the other boons against you.

[Cagey Bee]

And Hecate is not a Theseus-style fight. She only has other boons from Selene and I just don't think that's enough.

[Novachrono]

Originally posted by szczebrzeszynia:

Call me crazy, but my bet is on brainwashed Zagreaus being the final Olymp boss. Mel is looking for something in his room and unless it's the useless game she wants to play with Dora, it's entropy. We slowly meet every character from Hades, it woud be fitting is main chracter was the most powerful at the very end.

This is the best idea I've seen yet, Zag being the final boss would be so much fun (Using Hades spear perhaps) would make it even better