Scorch is really, really bad

[ptmulligan]

I want to compare Hestia's scorch buffs to Poseidon's knockback buffs:

- Standard Poseidon buff directly adds 20 instant damage to every attack, while also adding an AOE that does 20 damage to nearby enemies and knocks them back
- Standard Hestia buff adds 20 theoretical scorch damage which may eventually resolve on the enemy it hit in multiple seconds, assuming they don't just wipe it instantly by switching phases. You consistently end up with hundreds of scorch damage that would take multiple minutes to resolve, meaning it's all basically wasted

If you're lucky, you might be able to waste another boon slot on an additional boon from Hestia that makes the scorch auto-resolve at 150...for half damage. So you've wasted two slots and it's still not as good as poseidon's base boon.

That's really bad. At minimum considering how scorch is so awkward to use, it should at least add drastically more damage than poseidon's, like each hit should be 100 scorch or more since it's enough of a downside having to wait for it anyway

[Zireael ム]

True

[Leonaras]

Scorch is fantastic with daggers. Procs off every individual hit so stacks can be monstrous with level 2-3 at decent quality. From what ive seen on phase switching the damage also lingers.

[Silyon]

What scorch needs is to just kill enemies that would be dead in 3-5 minutes from the dot anyway. Just incinerate them, puff of flame and gone. Scorch actually does pretty amazing damage on it's own, the problem is the "walking dead" phase where the enemy is already dead to the dot but still wandering around attacking and soaking attacks meant for not-dead enemies.

[lensemerc]

Scorch can be upgraded into melting armor, which Poseidon's buff doesn't have.

[Hormesis]

you can increase the speed the dot causes damage, you can double your dot damage with demeter duo boost whenever you freeze them and the amount will instantly cast for a % if you hit 300. also poseidon's knockback isn't all that useful if you're use the axe, since you'll be knocking enemies out of your reach. finally scorch is great for hit and run tactics, which is what you're using for more or less all the guardians. i've personally finished several runs using it.

[Watcher Rat]

Mentioned this in another thread, but my best results with scorch are usually with the torches, though its a dangerous build. Putting scorch on both your special and cast, you can combine the two for an insanely fast build up by keeping the omega and regular specials coming...however, since the special doesn't interrupt enemies, you have to be ready to dodge at all times. Can help to get freezing on your attacks, but it's very much a glass cannon build when you make it happen.

[skill issue]

Originally posted by gnotheo:

Yes, any backloaded dmg seems to work very poorly in this game. Zeus's boons are so bad too 😫

lol what. zeus cast is broken. i cleared surface staying and doing nothing and casting the cast
and its done 90% damage for me

and it done most of my damage in first chronos win. even tho i got just before cerberus

but scorch is kinda weak. i was using blades and i got purple scorch + purple fire extinguisher and damage was too low

[Fire walk with me]

I honestly love using scorch. Using the witch wand, swift flourish, scorch special, double specials hammer, and the %+ Heph that increases dmg per mob killed I was wrecking stuff across the run.

[Traeba]

Originally posted by Poki:

Yeah, Hestia is equivalent to Dionysius from last game, except is WAY worse.
Game has a lot of balancing to work properly.

Dionysius was VERY strong with the right weapons: Rama Bow, Exygrif, Guan Yu. In fact Dionysius is what I used to do my 50 heat run. It's just not an easy +%, you have to think about how to use it. Trippy Shot is also the strongest of all the casts.

But I do agreee about Hestia, so far I have not see any thing that would make it good. it just takes forever to resolve.

[Rainy Raven]

the dmg is way too slow, i can easily slice 1+1/2 enemies with non-booned attack before scorch kills 1