Nemesis is annoying

[Cruelty]

Competing with her for gold in the early zone is bad enough when she 1 shots everything but she just showed up in my game in a shop in the 2nd zone and took my boon away making the shop useless. This mechanic is bad, she can destroy your routes too. I really, really don't like it.

[Skeith]

For the routes you need to react quick enough and choose before she does. Her robbing you of money did suck the one time it happened to me but i found it funny. Something to look forward to when you fully leveled out i guess.

[Alwoood]

Damn i'm starting to hate the community on syeam. Are you going to cry about everything ? Go plya Hades 1 if you want the exact same game, ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Cruelty]

Originally posted by Skeith:

For the routes you need to react quick enough and choose before she does. Her robbing you of money did suck the one time it happened to me but i found it funny. Something to look forward to when you fully leveled out i guess.

I didn't know that I could get my route from her, that's good to know, I appreciate that haha

[Archeia]

The character relationship with this game is pretty good. In the shop and routes you can get them than her faster. Then you get contests with some characters like Nemesis and it establishes rivalry. It's really cute imo

[Cruelty]

Originally posted by Alwoood:

Damn i'm starting to hate the community on syeam. Are you going to cry about everything ? Go plya Hades 1 if you want the exact same game, ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

I prefer Hades 2 to Hades 1 but that doesn't mean the game is immune to criticism. Being punished for doing well isn't really supposed to be a thing that happens. If you win the encounter and choose a shop, the fact that she can just take an item out from under you feels too punishing. It's possible that I could of bought it before she buys it though like I can with the routes, I'll have to try what Alwoood suggested if she shows up in a shop again.

[Calamity Heart]

Originally posted by Alwoood:

Damn i'm starting to hate the community on syeam. Are you going to cry about everything ? Go plya Hades 1 if you want the exact same game, ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

It's early access, dude. People have more than the right to gripe and voice their concerns; they're expected to. The devs want people "crying" about things they don't like and should change.

If you like it as it is and don't want to see it changed, that's fine; shut the ♥♥♥♥ up. Don't admonish EA players for giving feedback; all of it should be heard and considered. Make suggestions of your own, or at least try and help, like others have already done and been appreciated for.

[Cruelty]

Originally posted by Archeia:

The character relationship with this game is pretty good. In the shop and routes you can get them than her faster. Then you get contests with some characters like Nemesis and it establishes rivalry. It's really cute imo

I see, thank you for that, that makes me feel a whole lot better about it then, I didn't know that lol

[Specific Beef]

Nemesis is meant to be annoying. If you just beat her easily, like with Thanatos, there'd be no real rivalry, like with Thanatos. Every time you met him, it was just "free win, get a reward" and that's fine because Thanatos wasn't meant to have a really serious issue with you. Nemesis does, so you just have to be on your toes.

Nemesis is a problem to solve, and a really easy one. You can dash and sprint; she can't. You can see how many enemies are spawning and, by the size of their clouds, how tough they'll be; she can't. The first time I met her, she won because I didn't know what was happening. That never happened again, nor when I encountered similar behaviour from Heracles, so if anything she could be tuned up.

Beyond what it says about the characters, really It's the game training you to raise your DPS with a little negative reinforcement.

As for her destroying routes: sprint to the door before she does.

Taking a boon at the shop: it's funny, a small misfortune. You don't have to be fully outraged about it. "This mechanic is bad": these are character moments that flesh out a relationship, with her in the irritating older sister role (although you're only distantly related). It's good to have unexpected flies in the ointment to keep the runs interesting.

[Vex]

I do not mind the fights against her or the Trade for Item mechanic. It feels flavourful and can be quite challenging.

I do dislike her taking items/doors and locking you out of it. There is nothing to be gained out of it. It's just punishment for punishments sake. At least that is what it feels like to me.

If she took a door if you lost, I could understand it. You played badly and got punished. But even if you beat her, she takes a door away. This can be very frustrating at times.
I'm aware you can take the door before she does but if you are unsure what to take you either gotta take any, or pause the game. Having to pause the game so you can play the game the way you want to does not feel like good design to me.

Others disagree with me and that is totally fine, but I feel like how Nemesis currently works fits better into the heat system to make things more punishing rather than a core mechanic.

[hewittlemming]

Nemesis shouldn't be able to pick a boon form the shop or take any doors if you won, boom, 90% of people's problem with her would gone. As it is, even when winning you could still get punished by her taking your boon route away from you and that's just ♥♥♥♥♥♥ game design.

[THE PETROL BRIGADE]

Yeah, I like everything about Nemesis except her ability to remove an Olympian boon from the shop. It feels counter-intuitive to win her gold in combat and not be able to spend it on the most valuable thing in the shop.

[XYandZ]

yeah her stealing money during fights especially when youre playing builds that do damage over time while she casually hits for 1k is comedic ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, terrible ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ design.

[Raytraced]

Originally posted by Skeith:

For the routes you need to react quick enough and choose before she does.

Pretty sure that all routes are blocked until she picks one unlike shop interaction where you can prevent her from buying anything by buying everything yourself.

[Silvi the Bun]

honestly I wish the gold competition was opt in. I'm not a huge fan of this mechanic either.

[Grrwaaa]

When she took a shop reward I wanted I was "oh that sucks... next time I see her, I'll be quick." - then when she took a path I wanted I was... "ooohh... cool. OK. I see what she's up to." Maybe if I get her in the bath enough times she'll chill out.