Torches are garbage tier; change my mind

[Overeagerdragon]

EXTREMELY Low damage
No knockback unless you charge
Charge takes too long to be usefull against bosses
Needs either Hestia or Demeter to stagger enemies
Special is ackward to use

Overall worst weapon in the game so far

[RealVanillaSmooth]

They're actual ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[MrButtermancer]

Автор сообщения: Hasteja

my furthest run so far was with the torches, annihilated the second boss with them.

I reached Chronos once with them, but it was with an extremely niche set of boons and a hammer upgrade I doubt I could reproduce.

It seems like there are much fewer strong builds with them. They push me into omega cast builds mostly because the weapon is a tactical wasteland.

[jaderpansen]

yup.
attack is basically nonexistant. damage too low, windup too long. maybe solve both by boosting the frequency? still... i mean... 15.
special is usable, albeit in a rather unengaging way.
buff material.

[paincanbefun]

i think it's weird that some people will confidently say that their lack of success means a tool is objectively low quality. there's another explanation

a lot of folks are chiming in here, saying the torches are bad because the player can't beat Chronos with them. i find them easier than the skull. i'm like fear 20 on the torches and 16 on the skull - my personal anecdote isn't objective either, but they certainly aren't impossible to succeed with

[Last_Sinner]

Get the Hestia/Posiedon Duo or focus on Poseidon omega special. Or even Hephaestus attack and pom/keepaake focus it to make the proc happen every few seconds. Lower damage but has the most kite/damage avoidance potential. Torches are fine at present. Staff is clearlt top tear but Torches are still fine for clearing Fear 24. 32 would be a fair challenge.

[Sintonir]

I decided to give up on actually using Torches on my Fear 24 Chronos Testament for them. I mean, I would still try to do some damage, but mostly will focus on cast. It means I will fail a lot since getting this combo early enough is very unreliable, but I see no other way.
I tried to do some combo which would make Torches more useful, I tried to do Hephaestus Attack+Aphrodite Cast, or Hestia, or Posseidon, but nothing worked. So I'll give up on Torches entirely.

[Falco]

Автор сообщения: Sintonir

I decided to give up on actually using Torches on my Fear 24 Chronos Testament for them. I mean, I would still try to do some damage, but mostly will focus on cast. It means I will fail a lot since getting this combo early enough is very unreliable, but I see no other way.
I tried to do some combo which would make Torches more useful, I tried to do Hephaestus Attack+Aphrodite Cast, or Hestia, or Posseidon, but nothing worked. So I'll give up on Torches entirely.

My 24 fear torch run was on Melinoe's aspect.
Got the magick regen arcana and chaos room regen too. Spammed special as much as I could and was lucky enough to get the hammer that you get 3 flames instead of 2. That's huge for damage.

Choosing the right fear testaments for me was the hardest part.

[capoeira45]

I'm so confused by these takes. Do people realize you can dodge while using the omega attack? My best runs have been with the torch. You either have to use the omega attack and dodge while using or focus on the special and run around.

[pakupakuzakeru]

We know. The omega attack is just not that powerful. And It drains magick very quickly for what it does. Dashing only, with super slow movement in between, is not the ideal movement method, and you do have to hold that for a loooooong time to start building up damage.

If I want a straight line projectile to be my main damage dealer, I will go with the Staff's special any day of the week. It is faster. Much stronger than the Torches weak attack, only slightly weaker than the Omega. So if you consider the long channelling time, you will do a lot more damage with the Staff. And the Staff's special does not use magick at all. It is just a constant high damage, no restriction, spammable projectile. If you get the hammer to get 2 homing projectiles on your special, it becomes so busted it's ridiculous (that will probably get nerfed). Other hammers that boost the special are incredibly good as well.

The only advantage the Torches have is that you can sloooooowly move between your dashes. Negligible when you look at the DPS difference.

Again, not trash tier, just noticeably below average and needs a buff.

[KotNaKacu]

They are bad, but not that bad, I did manage to get 2 skull clear on Eris with them.
Had luck with triple omega special hammer. Then Hera charm and i was plowing through horde of enemies.

4x Omega Special (meaning 4x3 = 12 circling dots) buldozer build.

[SIEGE CREEP (DEADLOCK)]

The most important thing is that theyre not fun to use, theres no punch to them, theyre bland, and the special is too indirect. Just give me my adamant rail back :(

[Lochlann]

Автор сообщения: Concertina QA

The most important thing is that theyre not fun to use, theres no punch to them, theyre bland, and the special is too indirect. Just give me my adamant rail back :(

Sorry you'll have to ask Eris about that

[Jin]

Автор сообщения: Concertina QA

The most important thing is that theyre not fun to use, theres no punch to them, theyre bland, and the special is too indirect. Just give me my adamant rail back :(

Exactly, it's not that they're too bad to the point of being useless, but they're so underwhelming that using them feels very unsatisfying.

[nerdcommando.gamestudios]

Wands are incredibly good if used with proper boons and are very bad without them. They're the most extreme aspect in this fashion.

Aspect of Melinoe is hexer aspect. Charge up a lot of sweaty balls, use your hex for invuln (dark side, big blast or even the jump - doesn't matter), charge in. I've killed oath 24 chronos that way:
https://youtu.be/tzTPe7QozFE?t=3944

Aspect of Eos is broken with good enough Hera mana regen - Born Gain. Just never stop shooting and you'll do ridiculous damage - keep in mind that you can still move, dash & cast while charging it up. It gets even crazier if you get "splitting attack" talent. Here's oath 12 chronos with them:
https://youtu.be/d6A5EmcOwx8?t=2854

Moros is all about aspect of apollo attack. It just makes it easier/more efficient to hit foes with secondary detonations and, as long as you keep spamming, the chain of explosions is good enough. Don't have a vid for that yet but it was fine. Not as imba as Eos but fine.

[Falco]

You have to realize that you can do all of that better, faster, and with less boon requirements with all the other weapons.