Torches are garbage tier; change my mind

[Overeagerdragon]

EXTREMELY Low damage
No knockback unless you charge
Charge takes too long to be usefull against bosses
Needs either Hestia or Demeter to stagger enemies
Special is ackward to use

Overall worst weapon in the game so far

[Lucallia]

I got to Chronos phase 2 with torches and died. They ARE usable. But I will say that was my least fun run. I had to turn down the SFX volume so I didn't have to hear myself spamming the special.

[Nico]

Thankfully, Supergiant is at least paying attention to the forums, so your feedback about the Torches will no doubt be heard and taken into account.

[jwolfe]

Honestly I've found the axe to be far more frustrating (way too slow have to rely on powered moves for anything). With scorch on the main attack, I've racked up insane amount of DoT and freeze on the special means I can clear out/slow down the hoards.

I'd say that the torches have a similar mentality to the Rail in the first game. Not that much alpha burst damage (normally) but combo them with the right boons and you can bleed the enemy to death.

[Taishon]

Publicado originalmente por Overeagerdragon:

EXTREMELY Low damage
No knockback unless you charge
Charge takes too long to be usefull against bosses
Needs either Hestia or Demeter to stagger enemies
Special is ackward to use

Overall worst weapon in the game so far

The damage is low for Mel's aspect but if you grab Moros' and then Zeus on special it works quite well. The whole purpose of Ygnium seems to be mass group damage which is a great boon in Oceanus and beyond.

[Taishon]

Publicado originalmente por 'Strict:

The daggers are the ones I've got to the Sirens with a few times, the Axe I take way too much damage with cause the animations are unstoppable while also super slow.

Zorephet is best suited to Demeter on attack. Try to get the Daedelus hammer that gives rapid charge Omega attack as well as the psychic attack that allows you to swing while spinning. Couple this with a healthy amount of magic power and rooms will just melt before you. Failing this just up your attack speed and recovery as much as possible through Hermes/hammers etc

[Rod, of eight toes]

Getting arc lightning (might be called something different) on the normal attack made them great for clearing small enemies. Still used the special for dmg.

[Nothingface]

Publicado originalmente por LazyAmerican:

Publicado originalmente por 'Strict:

The daggers are the ones I've got to the Sirens with a few times, the Axe I take way too much damage with cause the animations are unstoppable while also super slow.

If you get one upgrade that greatly speeds up the charge attack speed....you become unstoppable combined with the card that slows down time as you charge it. It was the most broken thing ever I went straight for health upgrades because I would just run into a room and kill everything doing whirlwind lol.

Yea the time slow on charge attacks is actually insane if you max it out when combined with the Axe. The axes charge attacks are FACE MELTING. Its the only weapon that feels like it does adequate dps. The basic staff is better for poking builds tho.

[Hootaholic]

My best runs have been with the torches,
It's a reverse of the staff, where the staff I barely use the special for it , instead using the special for the torches.

Especially it darting around the enemies with the bolts
(like obs with all the weapons boons make a lot of difference)

Like took out Cerberus ezy w/ it and Hespastus's boon by darting out of his blast range and striking him with the 400 damage from the boon triggering

Or scylla managing to get multiple of the trio in a small space and doing damage to all of them at once/or slowing them with demeters boon, since essentially seeing the special more like an aoe

but everyones going to have different play style preferences

[Chf. Squiggy McBooty]

Oh come on, they're hardly garbage tier. You're being far too generous.

They're toxic waste.

[DrakeCross]

Can agree. I've tried so hard to work with them but the low damage, projectile speed and lack of staggering makes me not want to run them. The casts are decent, but all the basic blows just don't work for me.

[ChromeWolf]

I just used torches and beat Cerberus. One of the best power ups you can get is the Poseidon one that drops a bubble that heals your mana. If you pair it with another other God that increases your special damage, you can keep special on for the whole fight while constantly spamming right click.

Never had 0 mana to cast the right click due to Poseidon's buff.

The only problem I see with it is that the left click feels incredibly useless, and you are incredibly dependent on hitting Poseidon buff to reliably cast right click. (Cast right click stacks btw).

Game plan when entering a room.

Hold right click to cast the balls around you, dash to the enemy, click q, then keep spamming right click. A God power up like freeze would also be crazy to make sure that the enemies are within the range of your balls.

[SpaceHammy]

I think the biggest issue is that it doesn't really let you dodge out of the main attack quickly at all so you're way too committed to that low damage move that is just going to get you hurt. It really seems like you're supposed to upgrade and abuse the special so you basically just have orbs constantly all over the screen. I got a run to the final boss with them, not even sure how I managed it, but it was by far my longest run time wise because of the low damage.

[gerp]

tbh i can't believe that the torches made it into a public build of the game. i feel like all the weapons (at least the first 4) are unreasonably weak right now, but they all at least work for a little before the damage falls off except for the torches. they start weak and unfun and require specific boons to do anything.

[MacAttack116]

Try using hera to put hitch on the attack and Poseidon to refill magic and just hold basic to constantly use omega attack

[-=MM=-Savage]

+1 they suck