Just remember what we were promised

[popiolken]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcA7Nwa1L9I

[Tommy Wiseau✔]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย popiolken:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcA7Nwa1L9I

I mean the game's great. I don't see no problem. Of course it was subject to change.

[Dr. Jan Itor]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Monochrome:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย popiolken:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcA7Nwa1L9I

I mean the game's great. I don't see no problem. Of course it was subject to change.

It's not bad by any measure, but we've seen an objective decrease in replay value with the removal of game modes in the name of preserving a storyline. As if you have to choose between the two.

Subject to change is one thing, but gutting contents and outright not delivering on promises is another.

Their poor communication only compounds this, they can do a lot better in that regard.

[Carbon]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย F-102A Delta Dagger:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย CiggyPop ✝:

It's a shame. I've put in over 200 hours into this game because I wanted it to succeed and saw its potential, but now I'm starting to give up. Feels like I've been played by the studio.

I'm really in the same boat. I jump in once in a while, hope something's changed, then just uninstall when it hasn't

Void's on the list of devs to avoid at this point.

You want to throw in with a guy who virtue signals his way out of getting 200 hours of entertainment for $50 and still feels cheated?

You are the company you keep.

[sigina ✝]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Carbon:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย F-102A Delta Dagger:

I'm really in the same boat. I jump in once in a while, hope something's changed, then just uninstall when it hasn't

Void's on the list of devs to avoid at this point.

You want to throw in with a guy who virtue signals his way out of getting 200 hours of entertainment for $50 and still feels cheated?

You are the company you keep.

I’m just frustrated with how things turned out, like how they changed good maps, cut out promised content, and didn't follow through on what they said. It’s not just about the hours or the money, it’s the lack of respect for what they promised.

[Cortez]

They only want your money, they dont care how they going get it, they just care about the money. they will say anything just to get your attention and hard earned cash.

[Dr. Jan Itor]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Carbon:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย F-102A Delta Dagger:

I'm really in the same boat. I jump in once in a while, hope something's changed, then just uninstall when it hasn't

Void's on the list of devs to avoid at this point.

You want to throw in with a guy who virtue signals his way out of getting 200 hours of entertainment for $50 and still feels cheated?

You are the company you keep.

And, how does that at all change the point?
How does that diminish from the fact that content was cut, promises were not fulfilled, and other such own goals at the hands of the developers?
You'd rather attack the character of someone else than address the content of their post or even admit that RoN has a lot of potential and can absolutely be a better product?

Feel free to, but tribalism isn't my vice.

[Jug]

literally unplayable

[Clunt Westwood]

yep this had a lot of promise but over the years of following this game it seems to just keep getting worse and the scummier practices keep getting revealed

[Carbon]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย F-102A Delta Dagger:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Carbon:

You want to throw in with a guy who virtue signals his way out of getting 200 hours of entertainment for $50 and still feels cheated?

You are the company you keep.

And, how does that at all change the point?
How does that diminish from the fact that content was cut, promises were not fulfilled, and other such own goals at the hands of the developers?
You'd rather attack the character of someone else than address the content of their post or even admit that RoN has a lot of potential and can absolutely be a better product?

Feel free to, but tribalism isn't my vice.

I commented on the information they provided, which was both relevant and illuminating about their attitude toward the product from which they have received 200 hours of engagement, likely fun - or they are also masochistic - for a relatively low price in comparison to other forms of entertainment.

The claim was that the 200 hours was in some sort of hopeful service or devotion to the future of the game; a sacrifice and not enjoyment, hence the virtue signal observation; it is a textbook example.

They've received their cake and now wish to eat it.

This is the type who feel empowered to join in this thread, to whose star you hitched your wagon, thus by extension...

I have admitted that the game is not perfect but have additionally claimed that with mods, it has been made good for me. I speak for my experience as you speak for yours. Can RoN be better? Of course, but what can't, including you and I? I tend to avoid comparative thinking in matters like these, as it is a disservice to everyone involved, myself included.

Wishing the studio bankruptcy and closure is absurd within this context. Hyperbolic and childish. I don't doubt that everyone vehemently complaining in this thread ("literally unplayable"? Please) is much like the individual I quoted, with high numbers of on the whole enjoyable hours in the game, so as with my comments about guilt by association, you can do the remaining math.

[Cypher]

Having to rely on mods to make a game you paid for playable and fun, is a pathetic defence for this game.

[popiolken]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Cypher:

Having to rely on mods to make a game you paid for playable and fun, is a pathetic defence for this game.

Yeah relying on mods in RoN = Good
Relying on mods in bethesda's games = bad, and devs are lazy

[Carbon]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Cypher:

Having to rely on mods to make a game you paid for playable and fun, is a pathetic defence for this game.

You've mischaracterized cherry-picked sections of my writing. I'm less planting a flag than burning yours. I need not defend RoN to oppose your views.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย popiolken:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Cypher:

Having to rely on mods to make a game you paid for playable and fun, is a pathetic defence for this game.

Yeah relying on mods in RoN = Good
Relying on mods in bethesda's games = bad, and devs are lazy

I didn't say that a "reliance" on mods was "good", nor did I comment on any other games.

Many of the views expressed in this thread are so unhinged, entitled and discourteous, they're simply providing the staff at VOID some humor while they eat lunch. Admirable passion, but using a fire hose to fight a campfire.

[Dr. Jan Itor]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Carbon:

.

This is the type who feel empowered to join in this thread, to whose star you hitched your wagon, thus by extension...

Nice, just admit you're a bad faith actor.

Also, who actually proudly displays their association with /v/? What was it you said about the company you keep? And you're giving people here crap for their, admittedly childish, hope that Void shutters when that's basically all /v/ does?

Wew, lad.

[Carbon]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย F-102A Delta Dagger:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Carbon:

.

This is the type who feel empowered to join in this thread, to whose star you hitched your wagon, thus by extension...

Nice, just admit you're a bad faith actor.

Also, who actually proudly displays their association with /v/? What was it you said about the company you keep? And you're giving people here crap for their, admittedly childish, hope that Void shutters when that's basically all /v/ does?

Wew, lad.

Bad faith? You'll have to expand on that as well as my allegiance to "/v/", whatever that may be. I may be naive because I really don't know.

I'm sure I would be wrong to assume you mean Void, but let me explain my bad acting.

Not attacking doesn't mean there is no fight. I simply choose to trust that things will improve and feel that diplomacy is the better option. As such, I'm grateful to and silent within the threads pointing out problems in a reasonable manner, respectfully. There are problems with the game and Void need to know about them, but they are people, just like you or I. It matters. As such, my defense is not of the game, per se and my attack not of the shortcomings therein.

Now, if that makes me a bad faith actor to you, then yes, I am. I've seen what a supportive community can do (The Long Dark community is a perfect example), how it inspires developers and motivates everyone toward improvement. Inciting outrage and disgust to the point of wishing the developers to go bankrupt is destructive, not constructive and only a detriment to everything and everyone involved. Civility and care in communication fosters growth; developers are happier to sit at their computers longer and work through problems and we get heard and our ideas attended. It just makes sense.

Social media brings out the animals and Steam is no different. X, Reddit...it's all the same gathering of irresponsible, anonymous people spouting hyperbolic and paranoid nonsense. If being a bad actor to you means calling them out and taking them to task, then I'm the worst. We should all be so bad.

[Gladiator-Ricdog]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย popiolken:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Xavier:

I'm gonna jump in and play contrarian here, but this game is significantly better than it was in EA - and that's from someone with 600 hours, playing since Feb 2022
The AI is too easy now, the game looks significantly better, plays significantly better and is significantly less buggy
Is it perfect? Gods no, it's a mess for a 1.0 release, but it's acceptable. If they never touched this game again i'd be content with having spent however much I spent for the game plus SE
And by no means am I some knight for Void, I think they've made a series of significant ♥♥♥♥ ups with this game that have lead to such a divided and vicious community, one made by their own decisions, but to say everyone who played before release agrees with you is definitively wrong.

Belive me or not but im sure that game played a lot better after ADAM update than after 1.0 release and hell no it wasn't as buggy as it is now.

Hello no. Adams update was garbage, At least if that was the 2022 winter update. Everyone was screaming all 2023 how the game crap during that entire time. RON was at its peak after the summer 2022 update. Suspects actually surrendered, team AI wasn't as brain dead, firefights were more lethal, graphics were better. That was the best version of RON ever.