Keybinds Still an Issue

[Sir DBH Echo]

Still unable to rebind keys (even after clearing ALL keybinds) and have those actions actually perform during missions. To repeat this, bind the End key as your interact key. Within the station, this key works as intended; in actual missions, the key does not work. I find this issue with multiple keys outside the standard WASD.

2 years ago this was "being looked into" and here we are.

[Mar-Mar]

Originally posted by Bowiehunter:

Originally posted by Sir DBH Echo:

Because I'm very old and grew up on games using arrow keys prior to mouse adoption. I don't have the drive to relearn 35 years of muscle memory.

doesn't make any sense to me because it doesn't take long to learn different controls for different games, games adopted mouse control a very long time ago, and that wouldn't have anything to do with this game anyway.

You would be struggling with damn near 90% of the games on steam if that were true.

No, because 99% of the games on Steam lets us rebind keys and actually work, so we have our way to play those games. Ready or Not doesn't (for "End", at least), which makes it borderline unplayable for some people used to other configs. Personally, I use End to lean right and Del to lean left, and having to stretch the middle finger all the way to Page Down instead of End is really, REALLY annoying, confusing and unintuitive, since I have to let go of the arrow key for it. And yes, it does take time to learn different controls. Try experimenting using Arrow Keys instead of WASD for movement, and rebind things to your comfort. You will find that it's not as easy as you think to adapt to a new scheme, even if you do keep using the mouse on the right hand. You'd be impressed to see how much even a single bind being off can mess up.

[Strelok]

Originally posted by Mar-Mar:

Originally posted by Bowiehunter:

doesn't make any sense to me because it doesn't take long to learn different controls for different games, games adopted mouse control a very long time ago, and that wouldn't have anything to do with this game anyway.

You would be struggling with damn near 90% of the games on steam if that were true.

No, because 99% of the games on Steam lets us rebind keys and actually work, so we have our way to play those games. Ready or Not doesn't (for "End", at least), which makes it borderline unplayable for some people used to other configs. Personally, I use End to lean right and Del to lean left, and having to stretch the middle finger all the way to Page Down instead of End is really, REALLY annoying, confusing and unintuitive, since I have to let go of the arrow key for it. And yes, it does take time to learn different controls. Try experimenting using Arrow Keys instead of WASD for movement, and rebind things to your comfort. You will find that it's not as easy as you think to adapt to a new scheme, even if you do keep using the mouse on the right hand. You'd be impressed to see how much even a single bind being off can mess up.

I'm just curios. This is not something to offend you.

But you have some particularly condition or you just always play FPS games with arrow and you're so used with it that you can't change? It seems so much worst in any point to me compared to WASD. You don't have Q and E as "sholder buttons / easy to tap" and many other keys to easily reach. Very often I suppose you need to leave almost every finger from arrows, doesnt you? At least much more than using WASD, right?

I'm just curious and hope I don't ruin the thread by starting a ridiculous discussion - with other people chiming in - about something that is just personal taste.

[Panzer Kitty]

Here is my set up in progress. Hope it helps.

Movement (on keypad)
8 - forward
2 - back
4 - left
6 - right
5 - interact
7 - toggle lean left
9 - toggle lean right
1 - weapon low ready
0 - crouch
3 - tilt weapon

I’m still working on other quick key binds for changing weapons / equipment. I want to be able to cycle through with my right hand so I can keep the mouse in my left hand.

I’m not sure if this applies for this game or not but I have experienced this problem in other games. If you accidentally hit number lock it will mess up your movement keys (stop working) and other key binds I listed. Unfortunately this a no no touch button for me and can get you killed in game if you tap it on accident.

[Panzer Kitty]

Originally posted by Strelok:

Originally posted by Mar-Mar:

No, because 99% of the games on Steam lets us rebind keys and actually work, so we have our way to play those games. Ready or Not doesn't (for "End", at least), which makes it borderline unplayable for some people used to other configs. Personally, I use End to lean right and Del to lean left, and having to stretch the middle finger all the way to Page Down instead of End is really, REALLY annoying, confusing and unintuitive, since I have to let go of the arrow key for it. And yes, it does take time to learn different controls. Try experimenting using Arrow Keys instead of WASD for movement, and rebind things to your comfort. You will find that it's not as easy as you think to adapt to a new scheme, even if you do keep using the mouse on the right hand. You'd be impressed to see how much even a single bind being off can mess up.

I'm just curios. This is not something to offend you.

But you have some particularly condition or you just always play FPS games with arrow and you're so used with it that you can't change? It seems so much worst in any point to me compared to WASD. You don't have Q and E as "sholder buttons / easy to tap" and many other keys to easily reach. Very often I suppose you need to leave almost every finger from arrows, doesnt you? At least much more than using WASD, right?

I'm just curious and hope I don't ruin the thread by starting a ridiculous discussion - with other people chiming in - about something that is just personal taste.

Hi there, no offense taken by me. I’m a left handed mouse user and almost every game I play I use the number key pad verses the traditional WASD format. In MOST games the page down / end keys (I think there is 6 total cluster together) DO NOT WORK. While this is a minor inconvenience to me since these keys are close and grouped together, I get around this by using other unassigned number pad keys like backspace / + / - / etc.

This set up also work for games like war thunder / RTS games like Steel Division. Having this almost generic key binds helps me have exact or very similar set ups across multiple games with little relearning the keys.

-Cheers!

[Slimenim]

Originally posted by Panzer_Kitty:

Here is my set up in progress. Hope it helps.

Movement (on keypad)
8 - forward
2 - back
4 - left
6 - right
5 - interact
7 - toggle lean left
9 - toggle lean right
1 - weapon low ready
0 - crouch
3 - tilt weapon

I’m still working on other quick key binds for changing weapons / equipment. I want to be able to cycle through with my right hand so I can keep the mouse in my left hand.

I’m not sure if this applies for this game or not but I have experienced this problem in other games. If you accidentally hit number lock it will mess up your movement keys (stop working) and other key binds I listed. Unfortunately this a no no touch button for me and can get you killed in game if you tap it on accident.

my dad taught me how to play with numpad way back when unreal and quake were booming. I grew out of it eventually, its tedious having to change every game. i used arrows in conjunction however for squat/walk. up arrow to squat, down arrowto walk. I also found numpad on some games (years ago, might not apply today idk) you can only press so many keys at a time and have them register.

[Bowiehunter]

Originally posted by Mar-Mar:

Originally posted by Bowiehunter:

doesn't make any sense to me because it doesn't take long to learn different controls for different games, games adopted mouse control a very long time ago, and that wouldn't have anything to do with this game anyway.

You would be struggling with damn near 90% of the games on steam if that were true.

No, because 99% of the games on Steam lets us rebind keys and actually work, so we have our way to play those games. Ready or Not doesn't (for "End", at least), which makes it borderline unplayable for some people used to other configs. Personally, I use End to lean right and Del to lean left, and having to stretch the middle finger all the way to Page Down instead of End is really, REALLY annoying, confusing and unintuitive, since I have to let go of the arrow key for it. And yes, it does take time to learn different controls. Try experimenting using Arrow Keys instead of WASD for movement, and rebind things to your comfort. You will find that it's not as easy as you think to adapt to a new scheme, even if you do keep using the mouse on the right hand. You'd be impressed to see how much even a single bind being off can mess up.

WASD makes more sense to me for playing with a mouse and keyboard and considering how universal to other games it is, that's what I end up sticking with so that's my configuration. What doesn't make sense to me is binding anything to that key group (Insert, home, page up, page down, del, end, page down) cause even if you were using the arrows to move, you have to stretch your fingers or take them off the arrow key group completely to get to them. When the Q,E,F and other keys are right next to WASD.

Plus it's easier to learn that, then not have to rebind every game that I play.

[Sir DBH Echo]

Good conversation gentlemen.

It's interesting to see the number of people using "non standard" key combinations. The point of a PC is to have a degree of customization for as much as you're willing to put into it. Thanks to people posting middleware, I'll consider that going forward; though I do strongly encourage developers to allow full customization for a multitude of reasons.

[Mar-Mar]

Originally posted by Strelok:

I'm just curios. This is not something to offend you.

But you have some particularly condition or you just always play FPS games with arrow and you're so used with it that you can't change? It seems so much worst in any point to me compared to WASD. You don't have Q and E as "sholder buttons / easy to tap" and many other keys to easily reach. Very often I suppose you need to leave almost every finger from arrows, doesnt you? At least much more than using WASD, right?

I'm just curious and hope I don't ruin the thread by starting a ridiculous discussion - with other people chiming in - about something that is just personal taste.

No offense taken. Quite the contrary, it's cool seeing people try to understand. But to answer your question, I am right-handed. However, my dad taught me to play PC games since I was 5 years old, and he is left-handed. So I've been over 15 years playing as a left-handed would. I've tried playing using my right hand on multiple occasions, mostly because when I went to another friend's house, their controls were always extremely different from mine. But I just couldn't, it's almost like learning how to write with another hand when you're not ambidextrous. It's hard, because the muscle memory is already engraved.

Originally posted by Bowiehunter:

WASD makes more sense to me for playing with a mouse and keyboard and considering how universal to other games it is, that's what I end up sticking with so that's my configuration. What doesn't make sense to me is binding anything to that key group (Insert, home, page up, page down, del, end, page down) cause even if you were using the arrows to move, you have to stretch your fingers or take them off the arrow key group completely to get to them. When the Q,E,F and other keys are right next to WASD.

Plus it's easier to learn that, then not have to rebind every game that I play.

It does precisely because it's universal, but not everyone starts learning that way. But binding to that key group is mostly because of necessity, since we don't have multiple keys near the movement keys. However, it's not that big of a stretch of the finger to reach Del, End and even Insert. What I got used to is this: Thumb on Left Arrow, next to Ctrl, Shift and Enter; Index on Ctrl, Shift, Enter and Backlash (used when thumb is occupied); Middle on Del, End and Insert; Ring on Up Arrow or Down Arrow; Little on Right Arrow, next to NumPad0 and NumPad1. Yes, just reading it boggles even my brain, but I just got so used to interchanging the positions of the fingers whenever necessary that it's honestly incredible how we can do all that stuff without even thinking.

[Sir DBH Echo]

Apparently the only avenue to escalate this issue is in the RON discord.

I'll join and bring it up.

[b101uk]

Originally posted by Bowiehunter:

Originally posted by Sir DBH Echo:

Because I'm very old and grew up on games using arrow keys prior to mouse adoption. I don't have the drive to relearn 35 years of muscle memory.

doesn't make any sense to me because it doesn't take long to learn different controls for different games, games adopted mouse control a very long time ago, and that wouldn't have anything to do with this game anyway.

You would be struggling with damn near 90% of the games on steam if that were true.

WASD is what silly people use, there are many right-handed people who use a mouse in their left hand and use the arrow keys for FPS movement, because it is the optimal setup for for combined arms games, as you can seamlessly switch between FPS movement on the ground and flight with a joystick while still maintaining mouse-look etc.

remember it was common to have joysticks for playing games going back to the old Atari consoles etc, ZX81\ZX spectrum etc and C64 etc.

the arrow keys are also much better on your wrist when playing for many hours.

[Nunks]

Originally posted by b101uk:

Originally posted by Bowiehunter:

doesn't make any sense to me because it doesn't take long to learn different controls for different games, games adopted mouse control a very long time ago, and that wouldn't have anything to do with this game anyway.

You would be struggling with damn near 90% of the games on steam if that were true.

WASD is what silly people use, there are many right-handed people who use a mouse in their left hand and use the arrow keys for FPS movement, because it is the optimal setup for for combined arms games, as you can seamlessly switch between FPS movement on the ground and flight with a joystick while still maintaining mouse-look etc.

remember it was common to have joysticks for playing games going back to the old Atari consoles etc, ZX81\ZX spectrum etc and C64 etc.

the arrow keys are also much better on your wrist when playing for many hours.

Playing with WASD gives more keys that you can bind actions to closer than the arrow keys. Is you play with a mouse in your right hand on WASD it's the same as playing with a mouse with your left on arrow keys. Both you can also switch to a joystick while having mouse-look. Your comment feels pointless.

[Al Buffito]

You wasd guys have no clue. There are many other keys around the arrow keys and it works fine. You are just not used to it, that's why you talk nonsense.