Remember how this game was gonna be like 'SWAT 5'?

[Revolver Bosselot]

Just watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjscQ0HtaCg

I feel like, since 2017, this vibe was never achieved.
Our SWAT officers, despite not wearing balaclavas, somehow feel more soulless than the ones presented in the original trailer here. The gear looked less bland and more iconic.

Is it just me? This game don't feel like SWAT 5. Not saying that's a bad thing but what do you guys think?

[Lyon-CZ]

This game is broken unfinished crap. It's disgrace for SWAT 4 to call this SWAT 5.

[Major Issue]

I'm more concerned about this trailer since nothing it shows is in the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcA7Nwa1L9I
Basically RoN has less features than SWAT 4 in general, yes some little details here and there (formation, stack left/right) but overall it offers less than SWAT 4.

[Bregastor]

Originally posted by Lyon-CZ:

it's disgrace for SWAT 4 to call this SWAT 5.

Lol, the game that was fixed and loved thanks to the EFM?

[Intensiv - Glücksbärchi]

Originally posted by Lyon-CZ:

This game is broken unfinished crap. It's disgrace for SWAT 4 to call this SWAT 5.

100% agree. I've played Swat 4 and 3 in direct comparison to RoN. Even Swat 3 was better than RoN in every aspect besides graphics.
Both games felt way more immersive.

[Ihatetrainyards]

Originally posted by Bregastor:

Originally posted by Lyon-CZ:

it's disgrace for SWAT 4 to call this SWAT 5.

Lol, the game that was fixed and loved thanks to the EFM?

Lol you mean to say that an already loved game was improved by modders and those modders slapping an update to a 20 year old game made a better experience than RoN which was in development for more than 5 years?

[Chubzdoomer]

I think this game has a strong foundation and is already much better than SWAT 4 in numerous areas. It just needs some love and care to take it the rest of the way (suspect AI accuracy and reaction time being the elephant in the room).

[Tajin]

Swat 4 was good (especially back then) but it does get a bit overglorified nowadays. There are plenty of things that RoN does a lot better / more detailed.

Granted the overal experience and presentation was a bit better in swat but that's about it.

[Intensiv - Glücksbärchi]

Originally posted by Chubzdoomer:

I think this game has a strong foundation and is already much better than SWAT 4 in numerous areas. It just needs some love and care to take it the rest of the way (suspect AI accuracy and reaction time being the elephant in the room).

Yes the potential is there.
But with those developers.. nay never.

But I hope they change my mind someday.

[Bregastor]

Originally posted by Ihatetrainyards:

an already loved game was improved by modders

Improved?
EFM literrally overhauled the entire game, anyone that wanna believe your crap should go and check the EFM page themselves and look with their own eyes how deeply EFM basically changed SWAT4.

Before that, Swat was a fun game, but faaaaar from the glorified version a lot of people keep babbling about here.

Originally posted by Ihatetrainyards:

better experience than RoN which was in development for more than 5 years

If memory serve me right, Swat 3 was released at the end of 1999 and swat 4 mid 2005.

Here you have 5 year of development right there. Which the normal user (unlike now) did not get to experience, you got the final produce, as if you were to buy RoN on their official release date.

EFM was like 2016, almost 10 years after. Modders came and literally overhauled the entire game because of how flawed the base one is.

And now, almost 10 year later you are all here praising SWAT4 itself, while 90% of the merit of how good the game is goes to EFM.

While at the same time crapping on RoN devs while the game is been officially out for a month, with holidays in between. Or shouting things like "mods are not supposed to fix the game" while at the same time praising Swat4(efm).

Everyone saying Swat 4 vanilla is a better experience than RoN vanilla is straight up on a nostalgia trip.

Give your feedback, but at least give em the time to collect then and fix the game, there is no need for the hate the devs are getting

[Intensiv - Glücksbärchi]

Originally posted by Bregastor:

Originally posted by Ihatetrainyards:

an already loved game was improved by modders

Improved?
EFM literrally overhauled the entire game, anyone that wanna believe your crap should go and check the EFM page themselves and look with their own eyes how deeply EFM basically changed SWAT4.

Before that, Swat was a fun game, but faaaaar from the glorified version a lot of people keep babbling about here.

Originally posted by Ihatetrainyards:

better experience than RoN which was in development for more than 5 years

If memory serve me right, Swat 3 was released at the end of 1999 and swat 4 mid 2005.

Here you have 5 year of development right there. Which the normal user (unlike now) did not get to experience, you got the final produce, as if you were to buy RoN on their official release date.

EFM was like 2016, almost 10 years after. Modders came and literally overhauled the entire game because of how flawed the base one is.

And now, almost 10 year later you are all here praising SWAT4 itself, while 90% of the merit of how good the game is goes to EFM.

While at the same time crapping on RoN devs while the game is been officially out for a month, with holidays in between. Or shouting things like "mods are not supposed to fix the game" while at the same time praising Swat4(efm).

Everyone saying Swat 4 vanilla is a better experience than RoN vanilla is straight up on a nostalgia trip.

Give your feedback, but at least give em the time to collect then and fix the game, there is no need for the hate the devs are getting

While you have some points at the description you gave for swat 4 and I think you know what you are talking about I have to disagree with your last sentence:

Void's Strategy to release RoN in a state that is at best a Beta Version and calling it a 1.0 before christmas selling it at increased price (I`ve paid 50 Euros) leaves more than a bad taste.

At the same time they released trailers in which they claimed how revolutionary and well worked out their game and AI system is. I still have hopes for the game, but I have the feeling void was not honest about their final product and now this awful silence by the devolopers.

I can`t remember when the last time was I regreted spending that much money on a game.

Maybe they dont deserve that much hate, but they also don't deserve the praise.

After I finished the campaign in RoN I went on and played Swat 3 and 4 again.
Even Swat 3 was the more immersive Expirience. Those games are Classics for a reason. I don't think that RoN is a game people will talk about in 20 years. The potential is there, but not as the game is now. And in regards to Void I am somehow pessimistic after this release.

[[BLK] Telu]

VOID just wanted to make a AAA game at the price of an independant game made by an independant studio.

The early builds of RoN looks more like a clone of R6 siege than a clone of Swat 3/4.

[Bregastor]

Originally posted by low speed patrol:

lil bro you can literally go get SWAT4 on GoG right now for $5 to re-learn yourself

Don't worry for me bro, i still have the original SWAT4 physical copy as well. I don't need to re-learn anything.

I never said SWAT 4 was a bad game, i said it was a fun one. But the vast majority of people that overhype it, do so with EFM in mind and probably barely remember the vanilla experience.

And i don't think is fair to compare a Vamilla game with a game with an insane mod like EFM that got like 5 years of update as well.

Originally posted by Intensiv - Glücksbärchi:

Maybe they dont deserve that much hate, but they also don't deserve the praise.

I never said that they deserve praise, i said that they should be allowed to have time to fix what they called their 1.0 product.

[Lumpenmann]

Originally posted by Revolver Bosselot:

Just watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjscQ0HtaCg

I feel like, since 2017, this vibe was never achieved.
Our SWAT officers, despite not wearing balaclavas, somehow feel more soulless than the ones presented in the original trailer here. The gear looked less bland and more iconic.

Is it just me? This game don't feel like SWAT 5. Not saying that's a bad thing but what do you guys think?

I really dont get your point.
The mechanics are better than swat 4.
The way you play the game depends on you. If you rush it john wick style its your fault. Im certain if u play swat 4 nowadays it would feel dull and lame.
This game is definitely a successor. But just not if you are playing it like its cs.

My opinion, make the bots even better and put a real threat on the players, its too easy atm so they stop rushing like idiots.

[Gonzo850]

Yes RoN got hyped up too much with the whole Swat4 successor thing. Just replay the Swat games until the rose tinted glasses wears off. Then come back and enjoy RoN for what it is. I'm still enjoying this game very much.

If you can still replay those games then you never really played them enough. Go play them you noobs.

[Major Fret]

Having recently replayed SWAT 4 after playing RoN 'v1.0' the difference is night and day.

It's obvious how much more thought was put into SWAT 4 when it comes to the core gameplay. Suspect AI is much more human, SWAT AI has more personality and whilst not perfect, at least doesn't need to be told to hold position every 30 seconds. Civilians can actually be non-compliant. There was actual thought put into objectives involving arresting suspects.

I think RoN could be a successor to SWAT 4. SWAT 4 vanilla certainly has a lot of flaws and I do think that RoN does some things better. Unfortunately VOID seems unwilling to capitalise on any of their more interesting ideas such as dynamic AI and multiple game modes that actually shift the game up.