7.62x51

[The Roach]

Feels like this is the go to now instead of 5.56 or .300 AAC. I get it, it puts people down fast, but seems like overkill on smaller/tighter maps. The GA51 especially seems like the go to. I still see plenty of people rocking 5.56, .300 AAC and even 9mm sub guns but it seems like the vast majority of people are gravitating towards the battle rifles. Not a huge problem, but does detract from the immersion a bit for a US based tactical team to make entry on a residential structure with G3A3's or M1As for their point man.

[Flavius Stilicho]

If you are going lethal it's so vastly superior, no way around it.
Just lets you one tap everyone.
308 and shotguns all day long.

[The Roach]

Originally posted by Flavius Stilicho:

If you are going lethal it's so vastly superior, no way around it.
Just lets you one tap everyone.
308 and shotguns all day long.

I'm enjoying it, but I feel somewhat guilty for enjoying it.

[Shadeball]

definitely doesn't really feel very realistic but, then again, having a single five man law enforcement entry team take on the scenarios faced in this game against armored terrorists who all have automatic rifles is also a stretch

I see it similar to the availability of AKs. It's justified by "well, there's some department in bumfukland, Montana that technically uses them" but for immersion's sake, AR pattern rifles in an intermediate cartridge are better.

[The Roach]

Originally posted by Shadeball:

definitely doesn't really feel very realistic but, then again, having a single five man law enforcement entry team take on the scenarios faced in this game against armored terrorists who all have automatic rifles is also a stretch

I see it similar to the availability of AKs. It's justified by "well, there's some department in bumfukland, Montana that technically uses them" but for immersion's sake, AR pattern rifles in an intermediate cartridge are better.

Good points.

[BrotherMurus]

Originally posted by The Roach:

Originally posted by Flavius Stilicho:

If you are going lethal it's so vastly superior, no way around it.
Just lets you one tap everyone.
308 and shotguns all day long.

I'm enjoying it, but I feel somewhat guilty for enjoying it.

Take a Shotgun in there, pal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VPjrVfEYzQ

[Arby]

Because there's too many enemies with body armor. The game needs way less body armor, or at the very least, the vast majority of it should be level 1 and 2. Most of the enemies in about half of the game have ceramic and steel plates that make them absurdly tanky.

[Arby]

Originally posted by Shadeball:

definitely doesn't really feel very realistic but, then again, having a single five man law enforcement entry team take on the scenarios faced in this game against armored terrorists who all have automatic rifles is also a stretch

I see it similar to the availability of AKs. It's justified by "well, there's some department in bumfukland, Montana that technically uses them" but for immersion's sake, AR pattern rifles in an intermediate cartridge are better.

Both kinds of AK are an intermediate cartridge. 7.62x39mm is inarguably the most popular intermediate cartridge of all time. 5.45 is just 5.56 but russian after they realized the easier controllability, more ammo for the same weight, etc was worth the minimal tradeoff in knock-down power.

But I do agree that they're a little weird. I would prefer if they made the current AK even more of a krinkov sbr type deal, and then added a second AK as an Ak-10_? (whichever one is getting so many clones made in the US now because its in 5.56 anyway)

[Ace]

Originally posted by Arby:

Because there's too many enemies with body armor. The game needs way less body armor, or at the very least, the vast majority of it should be level 1 and 2. Most of the enemies in about half of the game have ceramic and steel plates that make them absurdly tanky.

I'm actually right there with you on this.

I feel like we're less like a "Swat" team and more like a counter-terrorist spec-ops team that the government wants dead. Like, we're pushing into fantasy territory at times with how absolutely absurd the level of engagements get. 5 cops with Mp5's and shotguns pushing into a gas station robbery turned hostage situation is one thing, but take those same 5 cops and put an AK in their hands, and tell them to go bum-rush a 3 floor mega-bank against 40 fully armed, fully decked out terrorists with LMG's? They'll tell you to either call in backup or just nuke the bank from orbit because they'd have just as much chance of getting anything done.

[The Roach]

Originally posted by Ace:

Originally posted by Arby:

Because there's too many enemies with body armor. The game needs way less body armor, or at the very least, the vast majority of it should be level 1 and 2. Most of the enemies in about half of the game have ceramic and steel plates that make them absurdly tanky.

I'm actually right there with you on this.

I feel like we're less like a "Swat" team and more like a counter-terrorist spec-ops team that the government wants dead. :zaglol: Like, we're pushing into fantasy territory at times with how absolutely absurd the level of engagements get. 5 cops with Mp5's and shotguns pushing into a gas station robbery turned hostage situation is one thing, but take those same 5 cops and put an AK in their hands, and tell them to go bum-rush a 3 floor mega-bank against 40 fully armed, fully decked out terrorists with LMG's? They'll tell you to either call in backup or just nuke the bank from orbit because they'd have just as much chance of getting anything done.

An interesting point given the "lore" around Los Suenos. After the first DLC it was clear that everything was already going down hill and FISA and other agencies were running operations within the city that LSPD was only barely made aware of.

I think the city, and maybe the entire fictional country, is undergoing a period of serious unrest and economic downturn. Hence, the police force is understaffed but they are packing much more serious firepower. At times my team almost feels like a rival gang to some of the more heavily armed enemies (Narcos, Ides, Port, etc).

Maybe everything has just gone to hell and this is the new reality. Low numbers, big guns.

[Gladiator-Ricdog]

Originally posted by Arby:

Both kinds of AK are an intermediate cartridge. 7.62x39mm is inarguably the most popular intermediate cartridge of all time. 5.45 is just 5.56 but russian after they realized the easier controllability, more ammo for the same weight, etc was worth the minimal tradeoff in knock-down power.

For a military supply sure. But from pure firefight performance, the AK is a 30 caliber rifle that allows it to penetrate barriers (wood, concrete, vehicles) much better alongside its stopping power. If someone is going lethal, you pick 30 calibers...hence the preference for 7.62 in the game.

[The Roach]

I do love the SLR47.

[Hammer Of Evil]

i use .300 when i want the terrorists to ask themselves one question: 'do i feel lucky?'

[The Roach]

People using slugs or buck with the shotguns?

[Major Fret]

Originally posted by The Roach:

People using slugs or buck with the shotguns?

Buck is better. Slug turns the shotgun into a lesser 7.62x51 rifle. With the little bit of spread, buckshot is more forgiving with your aim and even limbshots will cancel someone's subscription to breathing. Just remember to aim for the corner of the head if the bad guys take human shields.