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Betrayed in Ironman by my own squad
My first Ironman run got cut short in "Sins of the father" because a suspect decided it was a good idea to hit the nastiest most aggressive yoinky sploinky non compliant animation with an assault rifle while being told by 5 guys to lay down the weapon. Tired of the nonsense i shot him in the chest with some good old 7,62x51 and the next thing i know is im being lit up by my AI squad as it seems they enjoyed the show and were upset i finished it early.

I really don't know why i got so aggressively killed by my people. I was starting to clear the lower level so i can guarantee there was no handcuffed suspect nor civilian in the whole floor.
I doubt i killed collaterally a civilian because in other missions when i got spooked i shot the crap out of a civilian killing him and the squad was like: "yeah bruh this happens" and surely they didnt blast my a$$. Besides i did not kill a civilian prior in the level so it was not an accumulation of offenses.

Can someone explain what happened?

P.S. The mechanic of getting blasted up by teammates is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and should not be there at all unless you execute ritualistically handcuffed people.
Originally posted by 𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner:
You shot a surrendering suspect, that's pretty much it. They have some leeway I believe, but yes, they will destroy you for going murder mode on civilians and executing suspects
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You shot a surrendering suspect, that's pretty much it. They have some leeway I believe, but yes, they will destroy you for going murder mode on civilians and executing suspects
Soul Jan 1 @ 12:34pm 
I came here to see if things improved since the game was on sale but I see the mechanics are still buggy. Stupid design choice. Law enforcement do not have to wait to be shot at to neutralize someone with deadly force. I guess I'll just continue to wait for Unrecorded or a SWAT reboot.
Last edited by Soul; Jan 1 @ 1:01pm
Originally posted by 𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner:
You shot a surrendering suspect, that's pretty much it. They have some leeway I believe, but yes, they will destroy you for going murder mode on civilians and executing suspects

Im watching the replay and the suspect literally says while holding the AR "NO, IM NOT GOING IN" while backstepping and doing like "nuh uh", then i shoot him (my squadmate decides to cross my FOV while im aiming at the suspect but luckily was too slow to act as meat shield so the shot was clean to the suspect) and then among all the commotion i hear something from the radio man like: "cant(?) afford(?) unauthorized against your team lead" and i get gunned down while hes saying it.

If a suspect says "im not going in" while backtracking towards cover and wielding an AR i dont think i should be punished for stopping him lethaly, especially after screaming drop the weapon like 5 times.
I think it may have been something else because i shot hundreds of people in other levels doing the same crap and my squad was vibin with the choice
SkebbZ Jan 2 @ 4:39am 
It's the new surrender animations, they are very sketchy. Since they are classified as surrender animations, you get penalized for shooting them during that animation.
The problem is that they look like they are slowly taking aim at you half the time.
The devs wanted to do some suspenseful stuff with the surrender animations without having it have any connection to how lethal force is actually used. The worst was when the suspects would actually AIM the gun at police (with one hand, but the main hand) while the game considered it a "surrender". I think they changed that one, at least, but it's still pretty ridiculous given the voice lines and the fact that a suspect is often holding a machinegun (ho-ho-ho) while declaring that you'll never take him alive... and yet counts as being not a threat.
aaaaah welp i guess that was it. I wasn't believing it because he clearly stated he was not gonna surrender and backstepping but i shoulda read his mind i guess...
Its my fault for being on edge in Ironman mode while being aimed at with an AR at 5m.

Thanks to all the people that participated in the replies!
Jug Jan 2 @ 4:38pm 
Originally posted by SkebbZ:
It's the new surrender animations, they are very sketchy. Since they are classified as surrender animations, you get penalized for shooting them during that animation.
The problem is that they look like they are slowly taking aim at you half the time.

RIDICULOUS design choice.
It teaches the brain the perfectly wrong way to deal with that.
eoozy Jan 4 @ 4:31am 
I dunno why this is even in the game, why would your own team just execute you because you shot an armed suspect? Also kind of unrelated but I shot a suspect who was holding a hostage and had a gun to her head, unauthorized use of force apparently.
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