Ban ban and more bans.

[FastCrouchPeek]

The bans are not helping you in any way shape or form. Dont you notice that for every person you ban you make 2 more spawn?

You should be open to dialogue but in the last days i have seen quite alot of people get banned, for really nothing.

You should be ashamed of yourselves. 1 person said it rightly, this feels more like gestappo now.

[𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner]

Despite what users say, our ban load has been pretty typical for the amount of activity we've been getting. So I want to dispel the theory of the censorship bans: They don't exist. It's very simple to remain on the forums, and it is simply to just follow Steams TOS and our rules. If a user can't do that, then there is a process with warns and temp bans to get them to read them, and then moved up to removing them from our forum.

There are also unique cases where we have allowed users to voice certain opinions, which would normally violate our rules and Steam TOS, for Valve to come in and remove said comment. We enforce the rules because its what we volunteered for, and also its what Valve wants us to. All users who are banned are free to reach out to one of us in moderation and ask for a link to appeal, but in most cases, there is a history of offenses that means they won't come back.

[BananaJoe]

FraGG eredeti hozzászólása:

You should be open to dialogue but in the last days i have seen quite alot of people get banned, for really nothing.

Please tell us more

[FastCrouchPeek]

BananaJoe eredeti hozzászólása:

FraGG eredeti hozzászólása:

You should be open to dialogue but in the last days i have seen quite alot of people get banned, for really nothing.

Please tell us more

Browse the forum, you can do it.

[FastCrouchPeek]

BoD6-4 eredeti hozzászólása:

You guys expect to have toxic behavior and not to be banned just because inside of it there was some criticism?
[...]

Keep a civil discussion or enjoy your ban and gtfo

I have to say thats pretty toxic of you

[BoD[6-4]]

FraGG eredeti hozzászólása:

BoD6-4 eredeti hozzászólása:

You guys expect to have toxic behavior and not to be banned just because inside of it there was some criticism?
[...]

Keep a civil discussion or enjoy your ban and gtfo

I have to say thats pretty toxic of you

How am I being toxic? By saying that if you're not capable of keeping a civil discussion than there's nothing else but a ban waiting for you?

Or is it by saying that people doing that do not deserve any kind of attention or to be taken seriously?

[FastCrouchPeek]

BoD6-4 eredeti hozzászólása:

FraGG eredeti hozzászólása:

I have to say thats pretty toxic of you

How am I being toxic? By saying that if you're not capable of keeping a civil discussion than there's nothing else but a ban waiting for you?

Or is it by saying that people doing that do not deserve any kind of attention or to be taken seriously?

your wording and how passive agressive you are. Even with people that have another opinion there can be a civil discussion, youre just acting like a wasp before wintertime.

Take it easy my man.

[BoD[6-4]]

FraGG eredeti hozzászólása:

your wording and how passive agressive you are. Even with people that have another opinion there can be a civil discussion, youre just acting like a wasp before wintertime.

Take it easy my man.

I don't find myself aggressive, I'm pretty calm

My take on "civil discussion" has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing, of course there can be civil discussion among people with different opinions, that's the definition of civil discussion

I did not insult or done anything to anyone, I didn't wish anyone to d*, I didn't tell anyone to suic*, I didn't have any toxic behavior

What I did is condemning and disrespecting toxic behaviors.

The problem here is that people like the OP thinks that people has been banned for criticism and not for toxic behavior.

You can't expect not to be banned after having toxic behavior only because while having such behavior you were doing "valid criticism" (I'd argue how much valid they are but that's another topic)

You can bring your criticism without being toxic, otherwise a ban is more than deserved

[FastCrouchPeek]

BoD6-4 eredeti hozzászólása:

FraGG eredeti hozzászólása:

your wording and how passive agressive you are. Even with people that have another opinion there can be a civil discussion, youre just acting like a wasp before wintertime.

Take it easy my man.

I don't find myself aggressive, I'm pretty calm

My take on "civil discussion" has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing, of course there can be civil discussion among people with different opinions, that's the definition of civil discussion

I did not insult or done anything to anyone, I didn't wish anyone to d*, I didn't tell anyone to suic*, I didn't have any toxic behavior

What I did is condemning and disrespecting toxic behaviors.

The problem here is that people like the OP thinks that people has been banned for criticism and not for toxic behavior.

You can't expect not to be banned after having toxic behavior only because while having such behavior you were doing "valid criticism" (I'd argue how much valid they are but that's another topic)

You can bring your criticism without being toxic, otherwise a ban is more than deserved

I have the impression if you would critique the game and say something like 'enjoy your ban and gtfo' you would be off the forum fast.

Since you defend the game youre good to go though.

Thats the problem more and more people are seeing. Have you read all the threads? Have you read the comments under the posts in the news hub? especially of the video contest?

It seems to me that you have a wrong feeling about the community. Its not all flowers and sunshine.

Either way since you say youre calm, i wonder how 'enjoy your ban and GTFO' is not passive aggressive.

Then again i dont care, lets not derail this thread furhter, youre going to get me banned just by arguing with you and starting 'unrest'


Edit: and what do you mean people like the op... iam the op.

[BoD[6-4]]

FraGG eredeti hozzászólása:

I have the impression if you would critique the game and say something like 'enjoy your ban and gtfo' you would be off the forum fast.

Since you defend the game youre good to go though.

Thats the problem more and more people are seeing. Have you read all the threads? Have you read the comments under the posts in the news hub? especially of the video contest?

It seems to me that you have a wrong feeling about the community. Its not all flowers and sunshine.

Either way since you say youre calm, i wonder how 'enjoy your ban and GTFO' is not passive aggressive.

Then again i dont care, lets not derail this thread furhter, youre going to get me banned just by arguing with you and starting 'unrest'

I did see criticism on the forums not being removed: if mods were removing criticism then it wouldn't make sense for such comments to still be present since mods are really active

So, why some get removed and others don't? Cause the other probably had offensive and toxic behavior that break the forum's rules.

It's kind of simple why I said "gtfo": I believe that using kind words/expressions do not underline properly what kind of threatment you deserve if you're disrespecting people and having toxic behavior

What I'm seeing is people complaining about censorship and mods having always to clarify this "you can say anything about the game but if you come to insulting and having toxic behavior we're gonna ban you" and then seeing under such comment people saying really bad things about the game that do not get censored

So in the end it's 1+1

Me saying "enjoy the ban" simply underline that your ban comes as consequence of your actions that are not "criticism" but just a rule breaking behavior

FraGG eredeti hozzászólása:

Edit: and what do you mean people like the op... iam the op.

Sry, didn't notice

[BoD[6-4]]

Liberty Prime eredeti hozzászólása:

there's nothing civil about telling people to "get the ♥♥♥♥ out". You're toxic and should get banned according to the same rules you claim to support

If you come into my house, disrespect me and my priority, am I being toxic by saying "gtfo"?
No, I'm not: as consequence of your actions I'll kick you out of my house and never let you enter again

That's how you threat toxic behaviors, not with kind and loving expressions and behavior

[𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner]

BoD6-4 eredeti hozzászólása:

If you come into my house, disrespect me and my priority, am I being toxic by saying "gtfo"?
No, I'm not: as consequence of your actions I'll kick you out of my house and never let you enter again

That's how you threat toxic behaviors, not with kind and loving expressions and behavior

That's not a great example, we treat all users equally on the forums, our rules are pretty simple with the major one being treat everyone with respect. The post in question was removed, so let's not drag it out

[BoD[6-4]]

『Sinner』 eredeti hozzászólása:

That's not a great example

Sorry, can I legit ask why so?
I find the example pretty fitting: in this forum people has to follow your rules, otherwise they'll get a ban.
Isn't the dynamic pretty the same?
Just wanna know your pov not trying to change it

[BoD[6-4]]

Also I'm not saying that I'm coming into the forum for saying that if someone has the behavior that deserve comment removal and ban then you mods are gonna say that, not with words but with facts (where facts means removal and ban)

[𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner]

BoD6-4 eredeti hozzászólása:

Sorry, can I legit ask why so?
I find the example pretty fitting: in this forum people has to follow your rules, otherwise they'll get a ban.
Isn't the dynamic pretty the same?
Just wanna know your pov not trying to change it

I think I misunderstood it initially, but it's still not the best. The forums (along with the Discords and Reddit) are public places for people to meet and discuss the games, so I wouldn't exactly say it was a private spot for Void. We aim (and are taught) to treat people fairly, and I'm happy with our current moderation methods and system to achieve that goal. Criticism isn't on our ban list, but other issues are

[BoD[6-4]]

『Sinner』 eredeti hozzászólása:

The forums (along with the Discords and Reddit) are public places for people to meet and discuss the games, so I wouldn't exactly say it was a private spot for Void. We aim (and are taught) to treat people fairly, and I'm happy with our current moderation methods and system to achieve that goal. Criticism isn't on our ban list, but other issues are

Ofc ofc you treat people equally. That argument of mine was meant to explain that I'm not toxic by saying that

I didn't meant to say that they're the same, my example was meant for proving wrong his "if you say that then you're automatically toxic" argument

If we wanna do an analogy with the forum we can talk about someone smoking in a public area where smoking is prohibited. What happens when they catch you? You get kicked out and if the owner decides so he can prevent you from entering again

It doesn't change much, the first example wasn't an analogy with the forum