Too Much CP

[Darth Dias]

I feel like there are too many child related sex crimes. There are plenty of real life cyber-crimes to not have to reuse the same plot device over and over. Anybody else feel this way?

[p0mpous]

Originally posted by Darth Dias:

I feel like there are too many child related sex crimes. There are plenty of real life cyber-crimes to not have to reuse the same plot device over and over. Anybody else feel this way?

Not really. It doesnt really matter that much. Given this game lacks a narrative and each mission is kinda separate I dont see why it matters.

[Major Fret]

TBH all the CP missions are related, but do I feel VOID went over the top on the misery porn in general.

Every mission is the worst case possible and to me, it just makes me feel numb. Maybe that's intentional but I think having a little bit of levity would've been appreciated. There's a lack of subtly too. The Port redesign looks like a silly horror movie

Personally I feel SWAT 4 did it much better. Sure, there are some dark missions (Taronne Tenement and Fairfax come to mind), but there's also some levity in levels such as the Arcade where you have people protesting the fact your arresting them for mere gambling.

Then again I can see the other side of it and I do appreciate RoN's efforts to make a 'tactical game' that isn't just about shooting terrorists but attempts to portray the darker sides of law enforcement. If only it wasn't such a mess in other regards...

[shadowsc133]

Originally posted by Major Fret:

TBH all the CP missions are related, but do I feel VOID went over the top on the misery porn in general.

Every mission is the worst case possible and to me, it just makes me feel numb. Maybe that's intentional but I think having a little bit of levity would've been appreciated. There's a lack of subtly too. The Port redesign looks like a silly horror movie

Personally I feel SWAT 4 did it much better. Sure, there are some dark missions (Taronne Tenement and Fairfax come to mind), but there's also some levity in levels such as the Arcade where you have people protesting the fact your arresting them for mere gambling.

Then again I can see the other side of it and I do appreciate RoN's efforts to make a 'tactical game' that isn't just about shooting terrorists but attempts to portray the darker sides of law enforcement. If only it wasn't such a mess in other regards...

Related to what, exactly? There's a vague hint of a story, but it never truly comes together, even in commander mode. Years ago, they floated rumors on Discord about different ideas, but most never made it into the main narrative (Carcosa). Like the Mariposa Lily Organization, the ones that did feel randomly thrown in.

[Major Fret]

Originally posted by shadowsc133:

Originally posted by Major Fret:

TBH all the CP missions are related, but do I feel VOID went over the top on the misery porn in general.

Every mission is the worst case possible and to me, it just makes me feel numb. Maybe that's intentional but I think having a little bit of levity would've been appreciated. There's a lack of subtly too. The Port redesign looks like a silly horror movie

Personally I feel SWAT 4 did it much better. Sure, there are some dark missions (Taronne Tenement and Fairfax come to mind), but there's also some levity in levels such as the Arcade where you have people protesting the fact your arresting them for mere gambling.

Then again I can see the other side of it and I do appreciate RoN's efforts to make a 'tactical game' that isn't just about shooting terrorists but attempts to portray the darker sides of law enforcement. If only it wasn't such a mess in other regards...

Related to what, exactly? There's a vague hint of a story, but it never truly comes together, even in commander mode. Years ago, they floated rumors on Discord about different ideas, but most never made it into the main narrative (Carcosa). Like the Mariposa Lily Organization, the ones that did feel randomly thrown in.

All the CP missions are related. The canonical order is 23 Megabytes > Mindjolt > The Spider > Voss' House. I personally think that's fine in concept.

I would agree it's very poorly communicated. The continuity is messy, the evidence room is so tedious that I can't be bothered, and it's a lot easier to ignore briefings in RoN compared to SWAT 3 and 4.

I think a lot of this also stems from VOID talking about plot elements when they really weren't ready too. It's clear the MLO concept was dropped long before v1.0, but they'd already talked about it so much beforehand. Of course, if we talk any more about the mismanagement of VOID I'd probably type out something equivalent in word count to War and Peace.

[Darth Dias]

I get that they are related but when I see the CP evidence i just want to start shooting the detained criminals. There are lots of ways to be gritty and real with having to feel scummy.

[~NaRC~]

Over the last four year 325,000 alien unaccompanied children have went missing in the United States and I would imagine a un-Godly number of those have been used for CP. So if the problem to you is not huge, then your heart is up your wazzoo. I think bringing attention to a HUGE problem is a good thing and the more that know the more people will focus on stopping it. Just a theory I have...

[Winter]

Originally posted by ~NaRC~:

Over the last four year 325,000 alien unaccompanied children have went missing in the United States and I would imagine a un-Godly number of those have been used for CP. So if the problem to you is not huge, then your heart is up your wazzoo. I think bringing attention to a HUGE problem is a good thing and the more that know the more people will focus on stopping it. Just a theory I have...

I mean, I can see where you're coming from; however, the barrels in the basement, the insinuation that at least some of the videos on pause in the Voss house are family members.. idk dude, that feels like even a bit too much to me. Like, there's bringing attention to it, and then there's putting it in my face to the point that I want to run the Voss house mission and not care about the dings to my score.

[Darth Dias]

Originally posted by ~NaRC~:

Over the last four year 325,000 alien unaccompanied children have went missing in the United States and I would imagine a un-Godly number of those have been used for CP. So if the problem to you is not huge, then your heart is up your wazzoo. I think bringing attention to a HUGE problem is a good thing and the more that know the more people will focus on stopping it. Just a theory I have...

I agree that its a real world problem but this game isn't highlighting those statistics. In the context of the game it could be replaced with the trafficking of adults and the structure and message in the game wouldn't change. If they want to highlight those real world issues the game could offer stats or information in loading screens. The use of children even in subject matter only seems like a shock value grab.

[shadowsc133]

Originally posted by Major Fret:

Originally posted by shadowsc133:

Related to what, exactly? There's a vague hint of a story, but it never truly comes together, even in commander mode. Years ago, they floated rumors on Discord about different ideas, but most never made it into the main narrative (Carcosa). Like the Mariposa Lily Organization, the ones that did feel randomly thrown in.

All the CP missions are related. The canonical order is 23 Megabytes > Mindjolt > The Spider > Voss' House. I personally think that's fine in concept.

I would agree it's very poorly communicated. The continuity is messy, the evidence room is so tedious that I can't be bothered, and it's a lot easier to ignore briefings in RoN compared to SWAT 3 and 4.

I think a lot of this also stems from VOID talking about plot elements when they really weren't ready too. It's clear the MLO concept was dropped long before v1.0, but they'd already talked about it so much beforehand. Of course, if we talk any more about the mismanagement of VOID I'd probably type out something equivalent in word count to War and Peace.

I agree with everything you said. After five years of cryptic hints and Easter eggs, I thought we'd get a grand reveal…not a discombobulated PowerPoint presentation to pass as a "story". At least a few cinematics to tie it all together. I only finished commander mode recently (and on Permadeath), just for the challenge, because playing in any specific order felt pointless.

[DEVILHEAD]

Guys, you play as basically SWAT dudes is a mostly-realistic setting. What did y'all expect?
You want something lighthearted - go play a different game, like CoD or something.

[Major Fret]

Originally posted by Th3_0dd_M4n:

Guys, you play as basically SWAT dudes is a mostly-realistic setting. What did y'all expect?
You want something lighthearted - go play a different game, like CoD or something.

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I ensure you that just about every SWAT team has been involved with some sort of 'funny' call. Real life isn't just misery misery misery. Having some levity from time to time would be realistic.

[Dreepa]

Mmmhh... not sure what you are on about here, as there are plenty of maps where you are sent not because of the CP plot.
You even got a "my family is ill and I only did it because I need the money" thing right in the middle of the "campaign".

The CP thing is the meta plot through the missions, so of course it is picked up regularily, but there are as many non related missions where you just do your job (admitted, a job that's in part a bit Navy Seal like, instead of SWAT).

[Bim]

TOC this is entry Team, we got cookies being baked at a high temp for too long. " Roger "

[Valentino]

Not in chronological order :

-CP found from a streamer that leads to a mysterious organisation of human trafficking
-Rogue agents turned terrorist or cultist
-Yemeni terrorist cell on US soil
-A Korean (or Vietnamese?) family making switches to pay moms medical bills supervised by a Latino gang member that sell those weapons on the streets and to the mentioned human trafficker
-Said Latino gang is working with a ROGUE FIA agent who works with Human traffickers.
-Instance of a school shooting,
-Server base arming their security details because some mysterious guy dressed as a cop put some of their employee in a hospital bed which those servers are also used by CP makers.

Might be missing a few missions, but overall its all connected somehow and the lore is not finished, CP could've been used as a shock factor.

[Skee 11B/CIB]

Or, hear me out......Child exploitation, especially connected to satanic rituals, is one of the most UNDER reported crimes in society. When I was a Sheriffs Deputy I came across far too many CP and Child exploitation crimes, and yes, connected to satanic rituals. It is terrible and unpleasant but we as a world need to wake up to this and raise far more awareness. Watch 'Sound of Freedom'.