After updated killing hostage in 2 mins in "elephant"

[Sakiko]

is this normal?
i even not yet shot a bullet.
then hear a gunfire. shown civillian killed. main mission failed.
How to play? Happened in just 2 mins

[Poildanlnez]

This is normal for this mission; you have to respond fast and deal with the gunmen first. Use your ears, they are you allies to determine in what room the hostages, and potentially the gunmen, are.

[Blackwater34]

After attempting the mission multiple times post Home Invasion update/patch, I'm also running into the same issue. There's barely enough time to clear two rooms (accounting for restraining suspects/civilians, bagging evidence) before a civilian gets killed on the other side of the map. It's certainly not unrealistic, but vis-a-vis the rating system, unless you get lucky, it's now incredibly difficult to get anything higher than a D, much less a S rank.

[𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner]

This has remained unchanged to my knowledge, they have always been on a 2-3 minute timer, if you do not find them by then, they will start shooting.

[ReaperAdams]

Wear light armor so as to move fast. Mass shooter response doesn't allow the slow methodical gameplay of most missions, so you have to compensate.

[Blackwater34]

引用自 ReaperAdams：

Wear light armor so as to move fast. Mass shooter response doesn't allow the slow methodical gameplay of most missions, so you have to compensate.

That's how I usually go about it, and was able to get an A rank pre-update with what felt like a decent level of difficulty. Circling back for a S rank, I feel like I'm noticing quite a difference. If anything the bomb timers were giving me more trouble before, now they seem to have extended that timer significantly. I could be wrong, and maybe I got lucky pre-update, or maybe I'm really unlucky post-update.

[ArchonOfJustice]

It's always been like that, but after trying it I feel they shortened how long it takes.

[Aragon]

It's harder now.

[Blackwater34]

Played it a few times more and I've been able to more consistently get A's. You really do have to fly through, no stacking/breaching, light armor, SMG's, ignoring bombs and civvies, bearing in mind that suspects are generally confined to the stairwells, hallways, and classrooms, along with the lecture hall and library . I have however been having just as many problems with the missing final civilian that people have reported before..

[Mall Ninja]

Taking down the 4 shooters is your main priority.
Don't get tactical, just actively hunt them down, as fast as you can.
Don't defuse bombs, don't restrain civvies, until the last shooter is down.

[Sakiko]

Finally, after many retries. Got S in a two player team.
Split in two direction, ignoring all the bomb and civilians. Just finding the shooters.
It's still too harsh for two player. 3+ is better.
But i doubt this chapter can get at least a D by solo after patch.

[Doktor_Media (GER)]

引用自 Hatsuho：

Finally, after many retries. Got S in a two player team.
Split in two direction, ignoring all the bomb and civilians. Just finding the shooters.
It's still too harsh for two player. 3+ is better.
But i doubt this chapter can get at least a D by solo after patch.

I feel exactly the other way around, the less the better (but before patch). With my “best mate” I got S on the third attempt as a couple. Then we tried in a group of four and never succeeded. :D

But unfortunately I can only have a say in the version before the update. Is it that much harder?

[Revolver Chocolot]

I found playing this map less 'tactically' worked. If you mirror doors and wait for stacks you won't make it. Split your team, send them to separate classroom doors and breach asap. While they're doing that, run around solo listening for screams etc. If you come across one and your team are still busy, just solo breach it. Only the library is annoying to solo imo because of all the angles and masking from the shelves. I find starting with the library upstairs and getting my team to clear that works well to start. Don't bother restraining civilians either - big time waster. Memorise where the bombs are on your travels too.

[Wettey]

Just came in after trying Elephant for the first time since the Home Invasion update.

NO, it wasn't like this before, you literally can't shoot at 1 suspect without their buddies going "oh ♥♥♥♥" and massacring the rest of the civilians.

I honestly can't believe that they can screw up things this bad with updates, I'm learning the hard way I guess...I've already done it but I couldn't imagine trying to S rank solo this with the state it's in atm, beforehand it was an ok level.

I tried just sprinting throughout, giving red & blue teams doors to just clear on their own, still not enough time. Especially since the suspects now take hostages more, thus the SWAT AI can't handle that and the civvie dies anyway.

Honestly I don't see a way of doing this properly now with SWAT AI, maybe if it was like 2 or more platoons but that's not how the game works. VOID have destroyed this level now.

[Kigurumi (((魔神)))]

引用自 Wettey：

Just came in after trying Elephant for the first time since the Home Invasion update.

NO, it wasn't like this before, you literally can't shoot at 1 suspect without their buddies going "oh ♥♥♥♥" and massacring the rest of the civilians.

I honestly can't believe that they can screw up things this bad with updates, I'm learning the hard way I guess...I've already done it but I couldn't imagine trying to S rank solo this with the state it's in atm, beforehand it was an ok level.

I tried just sprinting throughout, giving red & blue teams doors to just clear on their own, still not enough time. Especially since the suspects now take hostages more, thus the SWAT AI can't handle that and the civvie dies anyway.

Honestly I don't see a way of doing this properly now with SWAT AI, maybe if it was like 2 or more platoons but that's not how the game works. VOID have destroyed this level now.

I had As or higher on every mission before the patch, stupidly deleted my save and started fresh when the update came out, and like you say this mission has seriously changed for the worse. I had to just leave it incomplete for now because I was literally failing the objective before I even reached the entrance to the school.

[Wolfmann Mike]

引用自 Wettey：

Just came in after trying Elephant for the first time since the Home Invasion update.

NO, it wasn't like this before, you literally can't shoot at 1 suspect without their buddies going "oh ♥♥♥♥" and massacring the rest of the civilians.

I honestly can't believe that they can screw up things this bad with updates, I'm learning the hard way I guess...I've already done it but I couldn't imagine trying to S rank solo this with the state it's in atm, beforehand it was an ok level.

I tried just sprinting throughout, giving red & blue teams doors to just clear on their own, still not enough time. Especially since the suspects now take hostages more, thus the SWAT AI can't handle that and the civvie dies anyway.

Honestly I don't see a way of doing this properly now with SWAT AI, maybe if it was like 2 or more platoons but that's not how the game works. VOID have destroyed this level now.

Seems like people are more concerned with getting an S rank than actually knowing that you can't win everytime... Active School Shooters don't care ab out your score.