Is this game better than SWAT 4?

[Bigboss PC Faster]

?

[Lithium]

Not even close, lol.

[noSense]

No, it's roughly on the same level, just better graphics, out of the box compatibility with win10/11 and a little better command UI.

Even the same issues with AI teammates ignoring orders if you move to fast.

[Lithium]

Lets be more precise, if you grew up with games like Rainbow six (Rogue spear / Raven shield), or the Swat games, this one is a horrible joke on them.

[Lithium]

Originally posted by noSense:

No, it's roughly on the same level, just better graphics, out of the box compatibility with win10/11 and a little better command UI.

Even the same issues with AI teammates ignoring orders if you move to fast.

On the same level?.... You must be insane.

[Ready Reaper]

Originally posted by Lithium:

Originally posted by noSense:

No, it's roughly on the same level, just better graphics, out of the box compatibility with win10/11 and a little better command UI.

Even the same issues with AI teammates ignoring orders if you move to fast.

On the same level?.... You must be insane.

Must be rose sunglasses or new to swat games.

[noSense]

Originally posted by Lithium:

Originally posted by noSense:

No, it's roughly on the same level, just better graphics, out of the box compatibility with win10/11 and a little better command UI.

Even the same issues with AI teammates ignoring orders if you move to fast.

On the same level?.... You must be insane.

Care to elaborate?
I didn't grew up with SWAT and/or R6, but i spend around ~15 hours with SWAT4 SEF mod just a month ago.

It's not much, but I hoped for some QoL improvements in RoN. There are not much of these, but I don't see much staff missing.

[Jonboy]

Yes IMO, but SWAT 4 is a very old game.

[Alonz]

I guess in some aspects, but SWAT 4 is still definitely better.

[Lithium]

Originally posted by noSense:

Originally posted by Lithium:

On the same level?.... You must be insane.

Care to elaborate?
I didn't grew up with SWAT and/or R6, but i spend around ~15 hours with SWAT4 SEF mod just a month ago.

It's not much, but I hoped for some QoL improvements in RoN. There are not much of these, but I don't see much staff missing.

Sure, i say you should play Rainbow 6 Rogue spear and see it for yourself. The story is a classical one, the AI (give it 25 years ago) is superb, the mechanics of the game are well thought out, the planning -> is an absolute masterclass. You do not want to play for yourself? Plan it out to the smallest detail and timing. If you want to play it yourself, the AI
(again, 25 years ago) will not block you, they actually move away really fast.

One can say, i am looking on Rogue Spear trough Rosa Sunglasses of being a kid. I tell you, give Rogue Spear the new looks of current game engines - it will break them all.

[Old Man Donkey]

much less ridiculous scoring system (generally you won't get 5 unauthorized uses of force per mission for killing bad guys actively shooting at you 0.2 seconds into their surrender animation), better gunplay, way less "you're in my way, sir", a good amount of quality of life stuff that should've been there in swat 4 (AI teammates arrest people and secure weapons, when they clear with a flashbang/stinger/cs gas it goes into the damn room and not on the doorstep, if you're done with the suspects on a level and just need to find the last civilian, you can order your teammates to look for them, etc.)

however, both enemy and friendly AI still need some serious tweaking, late-game maps are straight up unfair at times (not the bomb hotel mission level, but you WILL get mad), optimization is tragic at this moment

the tl;dr is wait 3-6 months then buy

[noSense]

Originally posted by Lithium:

Originally posted by noSense:

Care to elaborate?
I didn't grew up with SWAT and/or R6, but i spend around ~15 hours with SWAT4 SEF mod just a month ago.

It's not much, but I hoped for some QoL improvements in RoN. There are not much of these, but I don't see much staff missing.

Sure, i say you should play Rainbow 6 Rogue spear and see it for yourself. The story is a classical one, the AI (give it 25 years ago) is superb, the mechanics of the game are well thought out, the planning -> is an absolute masterclass. You do not want to play for yourself? Plan it out to the smallest detail and timing. If you want to play it yourself, the AI
(again, 25 years ago) will not block you, they actually move away really fast.

One can say, i am looking on Rogue Spear trough Rosa Sunglasses of being a kid. I tell you, give Rogue Spear the new looks of current game engines - it will break them all.

Well, the question was about SWAT4, not R6, so that what I was comparing too.
SWAT4 didn't have pre-planning stage and some of quirks of friendly and enemy AI are here 1:1 in RoN.

I would actually love RoN to have more extended tactical planning or ability to have at least an order queue during the mission, the same I'm missing it in SWAT4.

PS. thanks, I'll try to find time for R6 soon.

[Zaeld]

in terms of realism absolutely not. In terms of graphics / gameplay it's more modern so it's better in that sense. If Swat 4 came out with a remake and supported new content for the remake than i think you would see a night and day difference between these 2 games.

[LTHolden_Tudixx]

The levels and structure of SWAT 4 was wayyyy better. If you were to remake SWAT 4 just upgrading the graphics, id go with SWAT 4 all day. Even the levels on SWAT 4 were better

[Soulforged]

For me personally, RoN is better in graphics and using gadgets is little bit smoother but everything else is on side of SWAT 4 by far - story, gameplay, atmosphere, fun element, music...

[Chubzdoomer]

Some aspects are unquestionably better (gunplay and weapon feel, weapon customization, friendly AI room-clearing techniques, etc.), but whether the entire experience is better will really depend on who you ask.

I will say this much: there isn't a single modern FPS that comes as close to matching SWAT 4's magic as Ready or Not, and this game won't have a true competitor for many years to come.