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Mr. Cakes Jun 10, 2024 @ 11:13am
Two Questions: Tempted To Buy
I'm on the fence to purchase the game but there were two things I had questions about.

1. I keep seeing people talk about AI issues? What do they mean by this and are there still issues with it?

2. I understand the game is designed to be played coop. Is this game friendly towards single player as well? If I end up not playing with others I'd like bots with me if that's possible
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1) It depends, peoples experiences with AI varies. Most people say it in the sense that they will not give up unless you force them with your equipment. However the AI also won't play with you, they will kill you if given a chance, such as faking surrendering, and will do stuff like flanking, shooting where they last saw you (even tracking for a short period when you hide), etc. It overall depends though, I have fun with the AI as a fun FPS challenge.

2) You will have a full team (4) of AI to command, the game is built for both experiences, but the singleplayer experience has a bit more with commander mode.
Prdež Jun 10, 2024 @ 11:18am 
Buy it on sale
Major Fret Jun 10, 2024 @ 3:02pm 
1. Both suspect and SWAT AI have issues.

SWAT AI to me makes this game unplayable. They constantly ignore orders and rush to pick up evidence or arrest people, even when the area isn't secure/you're not ready to do so.

Suspect AI lacks the nuance a game like this needs. Every suspect is willing to die for their cause, no matter who they are. I said the AI is relatively fine in the context of terrorists, but it doesn't fit drug addicts, security professionals, desperate stick up artists and a streamer who looks like he's never been in a fight in his life.

2. Aforementioned SWAT AI is a deal breaker for me. If that was to be patched, this game would be an easier recommend (although I do think there are still a lot of issues that hold RoN back that aren't AI related).

My honest recommendation would be to wait for v1.1.
Mr. Cakes Jun 10, 2024 @ 3:13pm 
Maybe I should look into Squad or Arma 3 instead then?
~NaRC~ Jun 10, 2024 @ 4:09pm 
I don't care what the whiners say. This game is the best first person shooter ever! I am 64 and I have played every FPS that has ever came along. This game is not even comparable. It is better than COD, Battlefield, Clancy's stuff and Nova Logic's best. It is better even than the Far Cry crap. Single player is awesome. The atmosphere, the graphics the game play is all stellar. It is SWAT 3,4 on steroids. Has the game ever had issues, Yes, does it have some glitches, Yes. None of that matters. It is the best FPS ever. I have clown awards for saying so and I don't give a crap. I am to old to listen to babies tell me otherwise. It is ultimately up to you. But it is the best game I ever played bar none. You can take my word or you can fumble around trying to find something better. I personally don't care. However, once you figure out that this is like real life, slow is fast and fast is dead, you will love it. I have played a few hours, so I have seen it all. I am a former LEO and this is as close as it gets to real life...PERIOD!
Mr. Cakes Jun 10, 2024 @ 4:48pm 
Originally posted by ~NaRC~:
I don't care what the whiners say. This game is the best first person shooter ever! I am 64 and I have played every FPS that has ever came along. This game is not even comparable. It is better than COD, Battlefield, Clancy's stuff and Nova Logic's best. It is better even than the Far Cry crap. Single player is awesome. The atmosphere, the graphics the game play is all stellar. It is SWAT 3,4 on steroids. Has the game ever had issues, Yes, does it have some glitches, Yes. None of that matters. It is the best FPS ever. I have clown awards for saying so and I don't give a crap. I am to old to listen to babies tell me otherwise. It is ultimately up to you. But it is the best game I ever played bar none. You can take my word or you can fumble around trying to find something better. I personally don't care. However, once you figure out that this is like real life, slow is fast and fast is dead, you will love it. I have played a few hours, so I have seen it all. I am a former LEO and this is as close as it gets to real life...PERIOD!

Do all enemies in the game KOS or do some hesitate?
Originally posted by Mr. Cakes:
Do all enemies in the game KOS or do some hesitate?

Both, the AI will start off unaware of the player and become more aware as the match goes on. Basically in the start hesitating and giving players time to deploy kit right infront of them, before moving onto shooting and giving players less time.

It mainly depends on stuff like how loud you are, shouting alerts the AI, blowing stuff up, shooting, deploying flashbangs, etc., will alert the AI. However less than lethals like the Beanbag may not set off the AI, depends on the size of the map.
T1E6X1 Jun 10, 2024 @ 7:21pm 
Originally posted by Mr. Cakes:
I'm on the fence to purchase the game but there were two things I had questions about.

1. I keep seeing people talk about AI issues? What do they mean by this and are there still issues with it?

2. I understand the game is designed to be played coop. Is this game friendly towards single player as well? If I end up not playing with others I'd like bots with me if that's possible

You get bots if you play solo and i'd say that theyre... alright. Much better than when they were broken in the Adam update.

As for suspect AI imo its a letdown, especially if you were here for EA. You'd likely have to rely on modding to tune them to an acceptable level. As it stands, they just seem to lack intelligence. Additionally after a little bit of playing you'll be able to pick them out easily. Suspects pretty much all act the same and are quite easy to tell apart from civilians. Only in the hospital map are there terrorists dressed as "doctors"... yet when you get near them they will spout their generic terrorist voice lines... :steamfacepalm:

I'd wait for a sale if you were to pick up this game. They upped the price when they went to 1.0 and that certainly wasnt warranted.
Major Fret Jun 10, 2024 @ 9:46pm 
Originally posted by 𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner:
Originally posted by Mr. Cakes:
Do all enemies in the game KOS or do some hesitate?
It mainly depends on stuff like how loud you are, shouting alerts the AI, blowing stuff up, shooting, deploying flashbangs, etc., will alert the AI. However less than lethals like the Beanbag may not set off the AI, depends on the size of the map.

Unfortunately most maps are massive and packed with bad guys. In my experience this often leads to violence, as you are either inevitably detected by a suspect, or your officers see someone and decide to fire, pushing most other suspects over the edge. As much as I like the concept of the stress system, it only pushes suspects to one extreme. I wish would also break suspects, especially lower-tier ones.

What doesn't help is your teammates not only love to shout, but also love to mag dump suspects with most weapons.

So unless you really want to limit yourself to the most tedious playstyle possible, most suspects are going to react the one way and one way only: Die violently for their cause.
Gnoll Jun 10, 2024 @ 10:50pm 
Originally posted by Mr. Cakes:
Maybe I should look into Squad or Arma 3 instead then?
The former was driven into the ground by incompetent devs and the latter's multiplayer scene consists mostly of very cringe roleplaying and janky modded nonsense.

And don't even bother with singleplayer in the latter because the AI is braindead and boring without the application of many, many mods. In the end, it is just a sandbox soup of half-baked ideas and poorly executed features (terrible vanilla sounds, ancient animation quality, laughably broken scripting and the list goes on). It's a mediocre game that receives far more respect and attention than it deserves simply because of a modding scene, which has quite literally wheelchair'd the product into continual relevance, aided by content creators. Good luck having fun with that game outside of tabloid Youtube videos and esoteric Discord server gatherings of strange RPers.

That said, if those are the other two options you are considering, then you might as well pick RoN as the lesser of the three evils.
Last edited by Gnoll; Jun 10, 2024 @ 10:58pm
Ancient Jun 11, 2024 @ 12:43am 
It's a game with a lot of quirks. The squad AI isn't terrible, but they rely on you mastering how to use them, and I mean you will have to micromanage the asshat out of these chumps, because they don't even crouch when in a stack command with beanbag shotties and get hit with surprise rifle fire from an adjacent hallway. They don't duck, they don't dive in unison for the nearest wall cover perpendicular to the source of fire. Nothing. They'll just stand there and die because you ordered them to and that is... not realistic and needs a ton of work.

Just the fact you can give all your boys BB shotties and then also remove all their pistol ammo, effectively defunding all the lethality out of these police officers and it has no effect at all on their psyche? They don't even care when my terrible pacifist, life-preserving leadership is effectively dragging them all into a bloodbath from which they have no rational escape? And they don't even care at all? That part is weird.

That is most of the essence of what is wrong with RoN's squad AI. It's lifeless. Every single choice you make from No Armor to Heavy Armor should matter and affect the squad member's morale.
Oh, you gave us LTLs AND took away all our pistol ammo? Why not just snip off our balls, Judge?

They should each have a morale stat, based on tens or even hundreds of factors, but they manage to not matter because they just don't.

The same lack of flavor permeates into the enemy AI, they are all dull and lifeless. They are basically Far Cry 1 enemies. Instead of each being unique, having a few traits, maybe a disposition, to where one guy in a map might be the M249-wielding methed-up ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that just opens fire at first sight, but his friend in the next room might be a coward who will just surrender if you aim at him and shout at him or if you kill or arrest junior with the M249, he just gives up. There's just a lot of missed opportunities in story or lore because all the losers you arrest are really the same chump AI with a different model and firearm. This game deserves so much more flavor. And it's sadly not there.

Attempting to S rank the first 6 or so missions with you and the boys all having lethal primaries (as you naturally would) will eventually teach you to go beanbag shotty to avoid casualties and then the game manages to reach it's final form: it gets more high stakes because you'll have to restart way more and really learn to hide your squad in a closet somewhere while you clear the maps yourself with a BB shotty like you're playing Hitman: COPS Edition and trying to Silent Assassin the map.
Newpykart Jun 11, 2024 @ 1:15am 
I LOVE THIS GAME SINGLE PLAYER!
on a big sale
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Seabird Jun 11, 2024 @ 6:43pm 
game is very good, if you play with player who ask for play tactical, not a stupid running gun operation.
You play with random player, they died, they disconnect... (90%)
ACrispyTaco Jun 12, 2024 @ 9:34am 
DO NOT BUY SQUAD.
The Infantry Combat Overhaul is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ TRASH and ruined a once amazing game.
Also the game is owned by China (Tencent) so they are monetizing everything.
Save your $$$
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